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#308343 - 09/07/18 02:24 AM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
something overlooked is the possibility there were more than one author writing under the synonym "anonymous".

Consider the reference to a group whispering 25. Certainly they would know who the author is and in fact they may all be the author.

The Op-ed said it was a group of people keeping Fatboy in check. It's even in the title of the piece:

Quote:
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration


Hmm
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#308344 - 09/07/18 02:41 AM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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Blaming it on Pence would be wise, since he is the only Trump administration figure that Trump can't fire! "Lodestar" may be an attempt to do that, without (or possibly with) Pence's knowledge. I predict we will find out after it's all over and Trump is gone.

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#308346 - 09/07/18 02:27 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Here's why the 25th Amendment remedy was never used: "whenever the Vice President and..." as long as Pence is not on board, it's never going anywhere. I think the NYT Op-Ed was a message to Pence, and I think the use of the word "lodestar" was a signal that he would have the backing of the Cabinet.

I tend to agree with those that say the constitutional crisis is not the use of the 25th Amendment, but the FAILURE to use it. The 25th Amendment is the appropriate constitutional method to end the nightmare. The crisis is already here. What we're looking for is the solution.

My greatest concern is that it is already too late. Enough Senators have provided cover for Trump for their own craven reasons, and the Supreme Court is already stacked against rational application of the Constitution, that the constitutional failsafe has been rendered ineffective. The best we can hope for is an absolute Republican rout in November to check Trump's excesses, but, no matter what, there will be pain and scars. My hope is that we survive.

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#308348 - 09/07/18 03:26 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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In other words the message to VP Pence is "you can be president, if you begin the 25 process". I suspect while probably tantalizing to VP Pence, he is by the book kind of guy. God, conservatism, party in that order ... I don;t know where Constitution or country fit .

2018 & 2020 are the only viable solutions to the insanity occupying the WH.
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#308350 - 09/07/18 07:20 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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Either more evidence against Pence, or yet more evidence of a frame-job: The NYTimes article author talks about morality. Pence is probably the only person who even has any concern about morality in the whole place. He may not be the smartest guy to fall off the turnip truck into high office, but he does have a sense of morality.

Despite his misguiding lodestar, you almost have to feel sorry for the guy. He's a natural scapegoat here. He may have done a few stupid things, but I predict he will end up getting the Spiro Agnew treatment so Republicans can keep control of the Presidency. Of course, maybe this IS the start of the Spiro Agnew treatment?

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#308352 - 09/07/18 08:29 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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As far as I can tell this is just another honest description of White House Mayhem. There have now been, at least, 3 books on the subject and now this as well. They all agree with each other and the only thing that changes are the offenses committed. What we seem to be seeing is a growing mass of evidence.

I also believe that Mueller has the goods. I also believe that Jackass has been bought and paid for by the Russians and Mueller is going to nail him for it. My only question about it all is what is the 'base' going to behave when they find out that they have been supporting a traitor to the nation? I suspect we also know how the craven supporting cast of Republicans will do. They will deny everything and throw their great leader under the bus. I just hope, if that happens that the voting public remembers and fires the entire lot of them. If the Dems take 2018 I also believe you will see them start their denials, beginning with Jackass.

I suspect the bullied like nothing better than seeing the bully go down in defeat.

I remember, years ago, when my son was a freshman in high school. He was getting bullied and he asked me about it. I told him that he had two choices. I could goto the school and have them put and end to it. The second choice was based on the simple fact that bullies hate the bullied to actually fight back and they, normally, think twice when they do. So, the second choice was to fight back.

The next day one of my daughters came back from school. She was going to the same high school. She said she walked down to her locker and found my son, crying his eyes out and yelling, whilst slamming a locker door repeatably on the big bully. I have no idea how he got him into the locker. My daughter also told me it took two teachers to get him to stop yet the school did nothing. I should also add that that incident followed him through high school. Everybody knew not to mess with him because he went nuts and could do harm. Nobody ever messed with him again.

Its REALLY time for the Dems to fight back!

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#308354 - 09/08/18 03:03 AM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: jgw]
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Its REALLY time for the Dems to fight back!

They need some place to stand, in order to fight: By that I mean they need more than posting nice speeches on YouTube. If the voters want that, they have to give the Democrats at least one House of Congress. Otherwise the Republicans can just steamroller anything they do.

Give them a House majority and you will see wall-to-wall subpoenas and investigations that get people exposed and indicted, not just covering up crimes.

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#308360 - 09/08/18 06:56 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
...Enough Senators have provided cover for Trump for their own craven reasons...

The Russians hacked both the DNC and the RNC. Only the DNC's emails were released. The RNC's emails are being used to blackmail Republicans which is the "craven reason" why they will not speak-up. Hmm
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#308361 - 09/08/18 07:01 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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How about this place:

These are some of the things the Republicans have done (I am against all of them)
Maybe that is too negative?

How about:
restore environmental regulation
restore rule of law
restore congressional oversite
study to fix our healthcare - pick the best that work and then cherry pick from them all

Oh, and claim the Democrats are REALLY the party of financial responsibility and then explain why the Dems are and the Republicans simply do not care, ie. Trump claimed to be the master of debt - his plan is not to pay (really!)
Point out all the times the Dems take over from the Republicans and has had to fix what the Republicans left and remind that in 2018 the Republicans were responsible for nation losing 2.6 million jobs in 2008, etc

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#308363 - 09/08/18 11:11 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Oh, and claim the Democrats are REALLY the party of financial responsibility and then explain why the Dems are and the Republicans simply do not care, ie. Trump claimed to be the master of debt - his plan is not to pay (really!)
Point out all the times the Dems take over from the Republicans and has had to fix what the Republicans left and remind that in 2018 the Republicans were responsible for nation losing 2.6 million jobs in 2008, etc

Just hit those R's with the FACT that every Republican Administration for the past 110 years has had a recession. Shuts those R-aholes up every time. Hmm
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