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#308373 - 09/09/18 04:05 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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The rot at the top: Mike Pence on Face the Nation. What Pence has done is prove my point. Pence is an empty suit. Lie piled on lie. The question is: is he just a better liar than Trump?

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#308375 - 09/09/18 04:32 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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These are the four characteristics that the KGB look for in recruiting an asset. The KGB only needs one of the four. Trump is three of four.

Donald J Trump = Russian asset since 1984

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#308376 - 09/09/18 05:35 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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The amazing thing is how little money they actually have to spend to recruit most of their assets and agents in the US. From everything I have read, it's almost always less than $50K per year. Sometimes a lot less. Essentially, beer money!

Manafort is the exception that proves the rule.

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#308385 - 09/09/18 10:55 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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In spite of #45 (I can not say or type his name) being a raving lunatic is no one else concerned that a cabal exists in the administration that is NOT letting an elected president do his job? That that situation exists is, or should be, of extremely high concern. These are unelected people doing the work of the office of president without any oversight and sets a dangerous precedent.

The whole situation scares the crap out of me.
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#308387 - 09/09/18 11:34 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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Page 1, this very thread?
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#308396 - 09/10/18 03:21 AM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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Of course he is not doing the job he was elected for: The man is totally incompetent. That means there are many aspects of his job that he has no clue even exist. If responsible underlings are getting those things done, or getting bad or illegal things stopped, that's a good thing.

Every President has underlings. They probably carry out 95% of the job. The big difference here is that most Presidents understand what those things are, and could step in and do them.

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#308397 - 09/10/18 02:06 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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always go to the fundamentals

competency :: "The combination of observable and measurable knowledge, skills, abilities and personal attributes that contribute to enhanced employee performance and ultimately result in organizational success. "

that is one definition used by one organization. I think it suggests there is no simple easy definition for competency but is a complex algorithm used to measure success.

I'll let the reader decide whether Mr Trump has demonstrated any competence in his current reality show.
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#308400 - 09/10/18 05:21 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
If responsible underlings are getting those things done, or getting bad or illegal things stopped, that's a good thing.
Except, as Obama and others have pointed out, when 90% of what they are doing is bad or illegal things. The Gary Cohn example is a good one: he removed a letter or EO from the President's desk... but somebody else put it there. When an executive is unaware of what is going on and has disloyal underlings they can, as apparently also occurred with Reagan (some have even called it "the Reagan protocol"), put things in front of him to further their agenda knowing he would not get into the nuts and bolts of it, or maybe even read it. What we then have is government by fiat - which is where the list of judicial appointees came from. Remember that the Bush administration explicitly refused to consider "competence" American Bar Association competence ratings.

The current administration has made it official (while explicitly lying about it, at the same time!):
Quote:
“Like previous administrations,” Mr. McGahn wrote, “we will release information regarding each nominee in a manner that provides equal access to all interested groups. But we do not intend to give any professional organizations special access to our nominees.”
The Federalist Society, of course, is not a "professional organization".

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#308407 - 09/10/18 08:31 PM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pdx rick]
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Yes, I agree somewhat. But most people on his staff are not outright insane, with the possible exceptions of Miller and Bolton. They don't want to start World War III, or bring on the Rapture. They just want to do their nefarious small deeds that serve their interests. Trump has the ability to do much more harm.

On the other hand, maybe they are preventing him from doing stuff that would get him impeached immediately.

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#308412 - 09/11/18 02:02 AM Re: President Petty and Ineffective - a danger to the Republic [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Yes, I agree somewhat. But most people on his staff are not outright insane, with the possible exceptions of Miller and Bolton. They don't want to start World War III, or bring on the Rapture. They just want to do their nefarious small deeds that serve their interests. Trump has the ability to do much more harm.

On the other hand, maybe they are preventing him from doing stuff that would get him impeached immediately.


Most aren't outright insane now that Steve Bannon is gone, yes?
Bannon was bat droppings koo koo.
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