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#308714 - 09/29/18 05:52 PM Kavanaugh and the FBI
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We now have the FBI working to get a few facts, insofar as the Kavanaugh appointment is concerned. This was a very long time in coming and absolutely necessary. The TV speculators are running overtime giving us their views on how its all going to turn out - left or right.

We were told, last night that the FBI had already started their investigations (jumped on it quickly). Its generally agreed that in the single week allowed they are going to talk to, literally, hundreds of people and nail down the facts. This is, in other words, their time to shine. The problem, of course, is that Jackass has been working overtime to call everything they do into question so the report is important on all sorts of levels.

My personal fond hope is that they do get the facts so we will know who is telling the truth, who is lying as well as, hopefully, who is pulling at least some of the strings.

The entire Kavanaugh thing was simply amazing. I watched a man, who is a top tier judge, make faces, whine, not answer a single question, and obviously didn't want the FBI involved (joining up with the entire right on this one). What he did do, however, was to explicitly demonstrate that he does not stand neutral but, rather, stands squarely on the far right, along with blaming the Clintons and spectoral 'rich' lefties for all of his problems. What this means to me that any case he sits on, that has any involvement with the left or right (anything involving politics), he must recuse himself. They are also saying that the existing Supremes are not exactly thrilled with his performance either. In other words, regardless of who was lying, I don't think this guy is going to be a judge much longer. His demonstration of this was kinda breathtaking for me. I suspect that any judge witnessing that demonstration of peckish had to make them VERY uncomfortable.

Just saying...............

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#308716 - 09/29/18 06:56 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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They thought they'd gotten away with that Merrick Garland thing... laugh

Kav shoulda backed out as soon as the first allegation came up. One glance at Roy Moore shoulda told him everything he needed to know.
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#308720 - 09/30/18 04:14 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Had this been in "normal" times I suspect he would have withdrawn to not drag the GOP through the muck of partisan battles. But this is not "normal" times. Republicans need an extremist Judge on the high court to implement their agenda, foremost of which is overturning Roe and secondarily protecting Mr Trump (or the presidency). He can not withdraw unless there is overwhelming evidence he is not qualified.

In my mind his display of obnoxious anger during the hearing and his obvious partisanship should disqualify him from any court (I think NWP said that).

If the GOP was smart they would force him to withdraw but I suspect it is not up to them. I believe Mr Trump takes it personal. J Kavanaugh is his choice and America can take him as is without reservation or face the wrath of Mr Trump.
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#308721 - 09/30/18 05:54 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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If the FBI finds information that he has lied, did the deed, etc. I suspect they will confront him, in private, and he will withdraw. Then, of course, he will also have to defend his current job as he, pretty much, defined his own extremism and side. Two things, I think, that should disqualify him from even keeping his current job.

This is, of course, all speculative - we are going to have to wait for the FBI report to see what happens next.

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#308725 - 09/30/18 06:55 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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That certainly speaks my mind.

But now he's damaged goods. There was a public hearing. It's all on tape. Votes are in, Kavanaugh lost. Most of what the FBI has to go on is the tapes. Experts will be reviewing them, and the experts will come to the same conclusion everyone did. The crime was likely committed. But charges are not being made.

Kav and the Repubs can't believe that a crime this trivial is being blown so far out of proportion. A bit of awkward youthful groping while under the influence of alcohol. It's been happening since monkeys first ate rotten fruit. It's happening this very instant in a million places all over the world. He didn't go on to be a serial rapist and has had a successful career in the judging industry. She advanced in academia and is a well respected college professor. No one's life was ruined.

FBI will consider this aspect too.

That perjury though....if that becomes an issue?

Ya never know these days. Used to be able to run these things through the processor and more or less predict the outcome.
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#308731 - 09/30/18 10:38 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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As usual, it's not the original crime that gets you: It's the cover up. If he just had apologized to Ford sincerely years ago, and told the committee that he did some bad stuff he's not proud of when he was drunk as a teen, then it would not be such a big deal. But now it's perjury, and in a sitting judge, no less a SC nominee, that's a huge deal.

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#308733 - 10/01/18 02:45 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Yes....delicious isn't it. grin
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#308754 - 10/02/18 01:21 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Debbie Downer time: the FBI effort is being hamstrung so that it can't get to any serious dirt. It isn't going to make a "recommendation". It doesn't even appear to be allowed to address perjury. There will be enough to give cover to Flake, Collins, Murkowski to confirm. We're stuck with this miscreant, just like Thomas. He'll be just as angry and represent revanchist old white men for decades. There's nothing so dangerous as an old frat boy who got caught.

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#308756 - 10/02/18 04:21 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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yeah, I know. But his vote will be the same on every issue as the most "moderate" judge Trump might nominate. They've got this seat and there's nothing we can do. Whether it be Kavanaugh or someone else.

Kavanaugh's credibility is shot though. He's damaged goods. In a perfect world, where Democrats really do take over, there are even grounds for impeachment.

His character has been assassinated, he has perjured himself, and the political sh*tshow that's going to put him on the court is questionable at best. He will likely be a pariah even as he sits on the court.
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#308757 - 10/02/18 04:36 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I wonder what Mike Judge is going to tell the FBI. I'm sure he has a lawyer telling him about the danger of lying to the feds, and some of these Trump guys are going to (or in) jail for that. Does "bro code" include doing jail time for your bro?

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#308760 - 10/02/18 05:50 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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On wrong side of limb

I predict without benefit of FBI report Sen McConnell believes he will have 50 votes, which is the winning number. I predict Republicans will have 50 votes. They will rationalize the (unseen) report as not enough to consider J Kavanaugh lied enough to disqualify him (and remember the time constraints and possibility Democrats are threatening winning the Senate)(and I am typing this as I hear a new report J Kavanaugh lied to the committee).

Folks ... the dynamics have changed. What was once predicated on rational thought is no longer the case. We are living a democracy the Founders feared but could not prevent.
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#308769 - 10/03/18 07:24 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Interesting story on Slate:

Texts Reportedly Show Kavanaugh Coordinating Response With Friends

This was before the Ramirez allegations came out in the New York Times, but Kavanaugh told the Senate he had no information about the allegations or contact with Ramirez since college. How did he know what the allegations would be? Probably because he was there and did exactly what she claimed? So that's perjury before Congress.

Then there's the other little bit of trouble in calling up witnesses to try to coordinate their story before an investigation. We have a name for that: It's called Witness Tampering and Manafort is in jail for it.

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#308774 - 10/03/18 03:46 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I suspect as one reporter stated, it was probably an investigative reporters nosing around which alerted Kavanaugh allies of an impending story. He would be engaged in getting ahead of the story but not necessarily suborning perjury.

More difficult and probably indefensible would be the LIE he told the committee.

However, back to reality, Republicans do not care if J Kavanaugh eats babies for breakfast or has pubic sex with porn stars, he is their man, and especially now that he has become a lightening rod for the battle between the right and the left.

If you believe rational thought and arguments will win the day and that Republicans will see the light, then I have a well known bridge which has been sold on numerous occasions to people who believe in ideals which do not exist. Not to be overly harsh but we are in a Darwinian death match ... survival of ideals ... this is primal ... and the imperative is to ensure survival of your ideals. If you see rational thought and arguments in any of that ... well, you have not seen Sen Graham make an arse of himself
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#308785 - 10/03/18 08:30 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
They will rationalize the (unseen) report as not enough to consider J Kavanaugh lied enough to disqualify him ... a new report J Kavanaugh lied to the committee).


Ahh, remember it is a Federal Crime to lie to a Senate Committee.

If the Democrats take the House and Senate, the Democrats, if they have the cojones, could then impeach J. Kavanaugh on grounds he committed a federal crime and remove him from SCOTUS.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (10/03/18 08:33 PM)
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#308787 - 10/03/18 09:16 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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No way of convicting in the Senate ... sorry.

For there to be a chance of this happening the Democrats would have to hold about 60 seats and hope there are 6 or 7 moderate Republicans willing to buck their leadership

do the math
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#308788 - 10/03/18 11:11 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Would you like to read a copy of "Wasted: Confessions of a Gen-X Drunk"? It's out of print but someone uploaded it.

RAW STORY - Mark Judge's Book Online
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#308789 - 10/04/18 12:09 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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it is a Federal Crime to lie to a Senate Committee.


They don't have to impeach him. He has no Presidential immunity. Lying to Congress under oath is still a crime. They can charge and convict him. President Trump could theoretically pardon him, but that would be an admission of guilt. He would be disbarred and disgraced, and the Republicans would dwindle into a tiny Third Party.

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#308792 - 10/04/18 12:24 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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the Republicans would dwindle into a tiny Third Party.


The old "final nail in the coffin lid" theorem again, eh?
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#308794 - 10/04/18 04:36 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
rporter314 Offline
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Lying to Congress under oath is still a crime.

Point ... counter-point

DoJ has to bring charges. Can you imagine a scenario where AG Sessions thinks what J Kavanaugh said was lying? Republicans think that only a video of the assault on Dr Ford along with 3 witnesses would tip the scales.

So, while it is a crime, I don't think anyone will charge him with it.
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#308795 - 10/04/18 07:27 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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It's silly for Republicans to bet everything on Kavanaugh. So he gets confirmed, but then the House flips parties and the Democrats can investigate with all relevant witnesses subpoenaed. And their hearings are all public and so is their final report. They can investigate Trump's tax fraud as well. Everyone will know exactly what Kavanaugh (and Trump) did. Their reputations will be in tatters not because Democrats are out to smear them, but because of the bad things they actually did.

The optics for the Republican Party are lethal. Everyone will know they really are the party of rapists, fraudsters, racists, etc. Their diehard (rapist, fraudster, and racist) base may still support them but most people will recoil in horror.

And all this is so easily avoided: Just vet your candidates carefully before nominating or appointing them and reject the problematic ones. It's something every HR department in every successful company does every day. Apparently Trump is a lousy CEO.

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#308802 - 10/04/18 12:57 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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In days the FBI managed to interview 9 people?!! Talk about a "whitewash". They only interviewed people who could not corroborate Dr. Blasey Ford, apparently, since they didn't even interview her. The corruption of the GOP has no bounds.

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#308811 - 10/04/18 04:39 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The corruption of the GOP has no bounds.


I think that's been clear for some time now. Look at the indictment and conviction rate of Republicans vs Democrats over the last 50 years or so. Look at the failure of Republicans to do anything...anything at all, that might help anyone but the richest among us.

Republicans look at the vast wealth of the United States of America and say "How can I get more of this for myself."

Democrats look at this same wealth and say "How can we use this to make everyone's life better.

Kavanaugh will be seated on the supreme court. His decisions will make poor people suffer even more and enrich the already wealthy even further.

And the minions will rejoice at the suffering of the poor.

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I hope he takes special revenge upon your party's hopes and prayers. I hope he takes special pleasure in stopping anything that your party wants his vote for. Payback is a bitch, and if/when he is confirmed, the Democratic party will become his.
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#308820 - 10/05/18 04:17 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I see a lot of articles about people refuting J Kavanaugh's testimony, or op-ed's, or calls not to confirm by former judges and law professors, but you know what folks ... that's right ... it doesn't matter.

The reality is Republicans are fearful of losing the Senate which would mean they can not get another extremist confirmed to SC. They would have to settle for a moderate should they not get J Kavanaugh confirmed.

The backrooms are burning midnight oil. Sen McConnell will trade his jewels to get over the finish line ... whatever it takes. As long as Sen Murkowski is the lone possible holdout, J Kavanaugh will be next SCJ.
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#308823 - 10/05/18 08:04 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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If the Dems can take the house they can then:
Reveal the facts on the Kavanaugh/FBI so-called investigation

Investigate the hell out of everything, keeping in mind that the Republicans have spent, at least, 100 million investigating the Clintons.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-has...-investigations

Investigate, and report, on markets, jobs, and businesses suffering due to Jackass trade policies.

Investigate the failure of Jackass appointees

ETC. (there is a LOT more!)

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#308826 - 10/05/18 09:58 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I find it a little bit deplorable that we need to become like the Republicans to defeat them.
To my notion any thinking man should be able to look at the Obama years and judge them as a positive for the good of the nation and the world.
And that any thinking man of normal intelligence should be able to look at the sh*t storm going on up there now and see that it's off the hook cray cray...

Republicans see it the other way around.
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#308827 - 10/06/18 12:15 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I find it a little bit deplorable that we need to become like the Republicans to defeat them.
To my notion any thinking man should be able to look at the Obama years and judge them as a positive for the good of the nation and the world.
And that any thinking man of normal intelligence should be able to look at the sh*t storm going on up there now and see that it's off the hook cray cray...

Republicans see it the other way around.



Well that sentiment and a five spot should get you a hot cup of coffee. I just had an epiphany with all this weak tea decorum resistance fighting from the centrists Dems might finally shake some of their loyal multitudes of followers free realizing (finally?) that this is a political street fight. Perhaps the stars have fallen from the 'norms and traditions' crowd now that their sacred cows been gored.

Stripping out the industrial interior and selling the factories for parts and unions down river?- fine, we got this shiny new creative economy...

Banks commit fraud on a massive scale? Well that's not good but we better give em money and make em whole again.

We lost the Supreme Court cuz the other guys don't play by the rules?....

At least Ma Republican understands politics.
Centrists Dems?.....
The Juries in....





Edited by chunkstyle (10/06/18 12:21 AM)

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#308829 - 10/06/18 02:54 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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There's a big difference between those Republican investigations and the ones Democrats will have: Most of the Republican ones were held to obscure the truth and protect the criminals. The Democratic ones will be completely transparent and every one will see all the evidence against the investigated.

So just because Democratic Representatives hold investigations (just like Republicans), that does not mean we are becoming like Republicans. Investigations are just something Congressmen do. It's part of the job description.

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#308830 - 10/06/18 03:26 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Or maybe not.

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#308842 - 10/07/18 03:01 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The corruption of the GOP has no bounds.

The whole Merrick Garland thing still pisses me off. Why didn't Obama push for Garland to be voted on? Hmm , mad
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#308849 - 10/07/18 09:14 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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He probably should have just set a deadline: Said that the Senate has one month to "advise and consent" and if they chose not to then Garland would be seated. What could Mitch do? If Garland showed up at the Supreme Court, put on a robe, and started to hear cases with the acceptance of the other justices, that would have been a done deal. It's not like the Senate has any law enforcement officers they can send to the Supreme Court. All he could have done is sued, and that would have taken a very long time and would have to go through several layers of federal courts, only to maybe end up at the Supreme Court which had already accepted Garland as a centrist Justice. But I think the various federal judges would have seen it as the Legislative Branch attacking their Branch.

Anyway, it would have been fun to see the Supreme Court ruling on itself, in effect, sort of like Marbury v Madison.

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#308851 - 10/07/18 10:43 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
He probably should have just set a deadline: Said that the Senate has one month to "advise and consent" and if they chose not to then Garland would be seated.

Dammit! That's a good idea, but a bit past it's prime. I mean, if McConnell wants to f_ck around with "interpreting" the Constitution, then Obama should have pushed it up his asse with a complementary interpretation.
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#308852 - 10/07/18 11:52 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Exactly. Unfortunately, Obama took playing "the dignified negro" a little too far. People who were going to hate him just for being black, were not going to change their minds because he was "nice". So he was just a bit of a pushover, when it came to Garland. It should have at least cost McConnell something for not doing his job. Instead, Obama went along with the "no SC nominees in the last year" BS. As soon as Republicans started saying "no consent to any Hillary nominees", he should have put his foot down. Preferably on some of those azholes necks.

Like file lawsuits and fund recall drives.

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#308855 - 10/08/18 01:31 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It is endlessly depressing, as someone who absolutely loves the Constitution and what it represents, to have Brett Kavanaugh elevated to the Supreme Court. As I've opined before, and as 2400 law professors stated in writing, his partisan intemperance during his hearing alone disqualified him from the bench. But qualification no longer applies - ideological obedience trumps everything.

The majority of Supreme Court Justices are now Federalist Society adherents. It cannot be overstated how destructive that is. The Federalist Society is not "conservative" in its views. It is the definition of extremism.
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The Federalist Society claims to value the so-called strict construction of the Constitution, but this supposedly neutral mode of constitutional interpretation lines up suspiciously well with Republican policy preferences — say, gutting laws that protect voting rights, or opening the floodgates to unlimited political spending, or undermining women’s reproductive freedom, or destroying public-sector labor unions’ ability to stand up for the interests of workers.
NYT Editorial Board, "There’s So Much You Don’t Know About Brett Kavanaugh".

"Textual" to the FS means tribal. "Originalism" is code for "our way", and regards any precedent that doesn't achieve their ends as anathema. The FS is extremely undemocratic and certainly anti-minority. FS justices have used the flimsiest of excuses to gut laws and regulations, create new doctrines out of whole cloth, and ignore or reverse centuries of jurisprudence - going back to the 1880s (I'm not kidding). They gutted the Voting Rights Act, for crying out loud, and are gunning for the Civil Rights Act. They oppose regulation of corporations, promote hidden money in politics, are financed by the Koch brothers, and could be the second coming of the Nazi party. I'm not whistling Dixie here (although they may be). See for yourself: federalist society webpage; Wikipedia. We are in mortal danger of becoming a banana republic where even taking Congress and the White House won't matter.

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#308856 - 10/08/18 02:39 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is endlessly depressing, as someone who absolutely loves the Constitution and what it represents, to have Brett Kavanaugh elevated to the Supreme Court. As I've opined before, and as 2400 law professors stated in writing, his partisan intemperance during his hearing alone disqualified him from the bench. But qualification no longer applies - ideological obedience trumps everything.

The majority of Supreme Court Justices are now Federalist Society adherents. It cannot be overstated how destructive that is. The Federalist Society is not "conservative" in its views. It is the definition of extremism.
Quote:
The Federalist Society claims to value the so-called strict construction of the Constitution, but this supposedly neutral mode of constitutional interpretation lines up suspiciously well with Republican policy preferences — say, gutting laws that protect voting rights, or opening the floodgates to unlimited political spending, or undermining women’s reproductive freedom, or destroying public-sector labor unions’ ability to stand up for the interests of workers.
NYT Editorial Board, "There’s So Much You Don’t Know About Brett Kavanaugh".

"Textual" to the FS means tribal. "Originalism" is code for "our way", and regards any precedent that doesn't achieve their ends as anathema. The FS is extremely undemocratic and certainly anti-minority. FS justices have used the flimsiest of excuses to gut laws and regulations, create new doctrines out of whole cloth, and ignore or reverse centuries of jurisprudence - going back to the 1880s (I'm not kidding). They gutted the Voting Rights Act, for crying out loud, and are gunning for the Civil Rights Act. They oppose regulation of corporations, promote hidden money in politics, are financed by the Koch brothers, and could be the second coming of the Nazi party. I'm not whistling Dixie here (although they may be). See for yourself: federalist society webpage; Wikipedia. We are in mortal danger of becoming a banana republic where even taking Congress and the White House won't matter.


Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider.

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#308857 - 10/08/18 03:15 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Gee ... an editorial is an opinion. It is not news nor is it meant to be.

So when you mention WND or NewsMax you are in fact mentioning aggregators of opinions thinly disguised as news. As an example, which I found very amusing at the time, there was an article in WND which proclaimed there was evidence Saddam sent all his WMDs to Syria. When reading the article it was in fact the opinion of some General etc etc. That is fake news

So, now that you know what fake news is I challenge you to find fake news articles in the NYT which prove your claim the NYT is the ultimate fake news provider.

So please ... lets see the evidence ... . the easiest way to convince someone of your opinion is to present the proof .... otherwise I will conclude you are full of the caca del toro



Edited by rporter314 (10/08/18 03:17 PM)
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#308858 - 10/08/18 03:19 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider. Tim

Where do you go for your news, Tim?
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#308859 - 10/08/18 03:50 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider. Tim

Where do you go for your news, Tim?


Everywhere I can.

Online I look at the Washington Times, the Boston Herald, the Boston Globe, Drudge, WSJ. From Drudge, I follow the links to the relevant content.

Live, I watch the local news channels. I have very little interest in the major talking head channels. Fox, CNN and MSNBC are all useless mouthpieces and deserve to die a painful electronic death, electron by electron.

The NYT is just another mouthpiece of the left and cannot be trusted to tell the truth. It seems like their editorial board decides what the slant of the news coverage will be that the news division produces. The Boston Globe is the same as the NYT, but I have no choice but to use it as a resource for local information.

Drudge is great because he has all of the links that let me go where the news is most pertinent, especially the foreign links.

It is hard to find unbiased news, and that is disappointing. What I find myself doing to surfing news and trying to piece together the truth. Every newspaper has to be associated with a political philosophy today, there isn't a truly non-partisan news source available. The press leans mostly left, which from your perspective must seems like a blessing, but it makes people like me dismiss major outlets because they cannot be trusted to tell the whole story and what they do tell us is slanted to meet their papers agenda.

Most journalists are writing fiction, some are writing science fiction. There is nothing in the market that I can truly believe. The news today cannot be trusted, it is put through a filter and what comes out is no longer accurate. I try to understand who, what, where, when and why. That turn of a phrase is no longer what drives journalism.

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#308860 - 10/08/18 04:46 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I try to understand who, what, where, when and why. Tim

From your previous highly biased and propaganda filled posts, I don't think you are doing a very good job of it. Have you checked this out?

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content...in-1024x759.jpg
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#308861 - 10/08/18 04:56 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Gee, it must be difficult to be you. Seems like everybody is out to get you. So-called mainstream media (the 99%) says your favorite sources of "truth" (the 1%) are all fake.

Even the Wall Street Journal (which is pretty good on financial news) is now owned by Rupert Murdock. The problem is that editors-in-chief at his newspapers have admitted in court that their products are just for entertainment, not news. The are essentially just a big Nigerian Letter scam, putting the maximum amount of money in Rupert's pocket. He's not even Red or Blue: He's Green! (as in money) If a liberal slant got him as good a return, his papers would be liberal.

I would suggest you try reading the Christian Science Monitor.

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#308864 - 10/08/18 05:24 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Gee, it must be difficult to be you. Seems like everybody is out to get you. So-called mainstream media (the 99%) says your favorite sources of "truth" (the 1%) are all fake.

Even the Wall Street Journal (which is pretty good on financial news) is now owned by Rupert Murdock. The problem is that editors-in-chief at his newspapers have admitted in court that their products are just for entertainment, not news. The are essentially just a big Nigerian Letter scam, putting the maximum amount of money in Rupert's pocket. He's not even Red or Blue: He's Green! (as in money) If a liberal slant got him as good a return, his papers would be liberal.

I would suggest you try reading the Christian Science Monitor.


Ah, you see? It doesn't matter what I said I read, you would find fault because it wasn't on the approved list.

Look, this is the facts, 40% of the country leans right, 40% leans left and 20% decides at election. You would think that it would be in everybody's best interest to just report on the news and leave opinions to the editorials.

I don't really care what you think. I don't really believe that you are informed as much as you are brainwashed. The fact that I go out of my way to find news is a rare thing these days. So, enjoy yourselves, knowing how superior you really are, and I will struggle along knowing that I am just some poor shlub who is inferior in all ways. Then, when election day comes, I will realize that politics are like a buffet; with all of the choices there are really only a couple that I would actually want. Recent history says that the shlubs are doing OK at the buffet.

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#308865 - 10/08/18 05:34 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I try to understand who, what, where, when and why. Tim

From your previous highly biased and propaganda filled posts, I don't think you are doing a very good job of it. Have you checked this out?

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content...in-1024x759.jpg



Sue me! It bothers me when supposedly informed and morally superior people use politics as an excuse to destroy somebody's life. Hey, the Kav ran a gang rape operation, there isn't any evidence, but who needs eveidence! Hey, the Kav likes beer and when he was in high school he acted like a high schooler! Oh my god can you believe it? Hey, the Kav is a Justice on the Supreme Court! Politics have consequences, and I still hope that the Kav remembers exactly what the Democratic Party tried to do to him. I am an Irishman, I know all about holding grudges. I try not to, but there are a few that I can't let slide. It is human nature and more importantly, it is the nature of politics.

Who knows, maybe the Kav will burry the hatchet? The Irish in me asked where the hatchet will be buried.

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#308866 - 10/08/18 05:47 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
It bothers me when supposedly informed and morally superior people use politics as an excuse to destroy somebody's life. Hey, the Kav ran a gang rape operation, there isn't any evidence, but who needs eveidence! Hey, the Kav likes beer and when he was in high school he acted like a high schooler! Oh my god can you believe it? Hey, the Kav is a Justice on the Supreme Court! Politics have consequences, and I still hope that the Kav remembers exactly what the Democratic Party tried to do to him. Tim

I see the right wing gaslighting worked it's magic on you!
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#308867 - 10/08/18 05:49 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: logtroll]
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Why yes I have Mr LogT, but conservatives and trump supporters know that is a concoction by liberals to denigrate real news sources like Fox, Drudge, WND, etc.
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#308868 - 10/08/18 06:02 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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the Kav ran a gang rape operation

If you read that in one of your highly rated news sources you got conned.

Absolutely no one said that. What was said was, he was at house parties where there were gang rapes. No one said he participated. No one said he promoted it.

The reason Democrats kept bringing up his drinking was not to make an issue of drinking but to find out if he got drunk enough to pass out and not know what the frak he was doing or what he did during a blackout. Dr Ford claimed he was very drunk. Is it not possible he was so drunk he assaulted her and did not remember it? why yes it is.

There are now too many stories from Yalies claiming J Kavananugh was drunk often and was so drunk he was incoherent. There is a claim he ran into another vehicle while drunk and told the owner to frak off. While I don't give a crap about him drinking or getting drunk, I do expect a SC nominee to accept responsibility for his actions and admit he got very drunk and may not have known what the frak he did when that drunk. That you can not see that (and you say you are Irish) happening amazes me. But then you are a hyper-partisan so it is believable.
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#308869 - 10/08/18 06:17 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I am amazed. All this talk about what Kavanaugh did, or didn't do, to women. Until that actually gets examined and investigated its just a charge (sorry) On the other hand, his behavior, whilst being questioned by the Senate and their 'investigator' (and then ignored by them that brought her to the party) displayed a man that should never be a judge. He is biased, believes conspiracy theories, is flat out partisan, etc. On top of that it turns out that several judges serving with him have complained to the supremes about him for, exactly, the same reasons.

So, the Kavanaugh/woman thing has taken over the entire story whilst he skates through known problems, demonstrated on live tv! I gotta tell you, the Republicans are GREAT at controlling the argument and changing the subject and they did it, yet again, in this instant. Hopefully we will all start to learn this lesson in the fullness of time?

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#308870 - 10/08/18 06:29 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I find it a little bit deplorable that we need to become like the Republicans to defeat them.



I too find it more than a little bit deplorable, until I remember that
Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" was revived by Dick Armey of FreedomWorks, who made every volunteer and employee read it.

Quote:
The Prince' was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. 'Rules for Radicals' is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."

---Saul Alinsky

The trouble is, now that Republicans are in power, they haven't put down their new toy.
They're continuing to use principles in the book even though they already won.
They're clinging to Alinsky when they should have switched to Machiavelli.
So don't feel too bad, because in reality, we don't have to "become more like Republicans", we just have to remember where we tossed our dog-eared old copies of the Alinsky book.
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#308871 - 10/08/18 06:34 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Fake News.

What Tim really means is not that the reporting is factually inaccurate but that the articles are negative reports of the Trump administration.

Thus we could rate "news" sources on a positive and negative scale of the Trump administration and successfully name Tim's choices for news by whether the source is positive or negative. The more positive would be the source for Tim. If the outlet has a negative rating it would be a fake news source.

So lets check and see if my theory has any validity. Tim's choices are Washington Times, the Boston Herald, the Boston Globe, Drudge, WSJ.

Washington Times
Originally Posted By: wiki
Widely described as a conservative newspaper. The Washington Times has published conspiracy theories that President Barack Obama was not born in America and that he was a secret Muslim, promoted conspiracy theories about the murder of Seth Rich (which the paper apologized for and retracted after a lawsuit), and published numerous columns that reject the scientific consensus on climate change. Under Wes Pruden's editorship (1992-2008), The Washington Times was noted for its association with white supremacism, as it regularly printed excerpts from white supremacist publications, published laudatory pieces about white supremacists and the Confederacy, and published racially incendiary commentary about President Barack Obama


Boston Herald ... sad ... at one time a highly respected rag but for past 40 years it has been a tabloid akin to National Inquirer ... o and it was at one time owned by Murdoch.

Boston Globe ...
Originally Posted By: wiki
In August 2018, the editorial board launched a coordinated campaign for newspapers nationwide to respond to the president's "enemy of the people" attacks and "fake news" rants against the media by publishing locally-produced editorial responses on Thursday, August 16th

Yikes I would find it hard to believe Tim would read fake news

Drudge ...
Originally Posted By: wiki
it has been referred to in the media as "a conservative news aggregator"
But may I refer the reader to view current web page to see for himself the tabloid journalism which some pass off as "news"

WSJ ... editorial board is conservative while news side has a liberal bias ...

Thus I suspect Tim would rather read something to confirm his bias than be challenged by fact based reporting which cast doubts on the competence, integrity, and honesty of the Trump administration.



O and still waiting for proof of your claim Tim i.e. NYT is ultimate source of fake news.
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#308874 - 10/08/18 07:54 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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Of course, the most egregious fake news generator is the Trump Administration.
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#308875 - 10/08/18 08:01 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: logtroll]
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I guess that is too obvious for some folks to see or they drank the Trump-aide
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#308880 - 10/09/18 01:15 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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The accusation of Kavanaugh is that he spiked punch so girls would become too drunk or high to resist unwanted advances (and rapes), not that he personally raped them. Other accusations are that he exposed himself and attempted to rape Dr. Ford.

That's just high school boys being boys? Drugging women? Attempted rape? I was pretty horny in High School, and I NEVER did that sort of thing. I touched a girl's crotch once, and she didn't think I might kill her: She laughed! Maybe it's because I wasn't stupid drunk and my other hand wasn't over her mouth. My hand has NEVER been over a woman's mouth. That's pretty close to strangulation, and strangulation is the most highly correlated act there is with homicide.

Pinning a girl down and not letting her get away, and then holding your hand over her mouth so she can't scream for help is essentially kidnapping. Something else I NEVER did in High School. In fact, never did ever.

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#308881 - 10/09/18 01:58 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Quote:
It bothers me when supposedly informed and morally superior people use politics as an excuse to destroy somebody's life.


Doesn't bother you at all when Republicans do it though does it.
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#308883 - 10/09/18 02:29 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Calling out rapists is not about politics, as much as you wish this all was. It's about rape or attempted rape. It's not even about sex or under-aged sex, or Romeo-and Juliet exceptions to the statuary rape laws.

They used to hang people for that. Did you know that Maryland has no statute of limitations on assault with intent to rape (a felony) or kidnapping (just pulling somebody into a room against their will for nefarious purposes qualifies). Kavanaugh may be the first Supreme Court Justice to end up in prison.

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#308903 - 10/10/18 04:46 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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'cons think that woman bold enough to discuss their sexual assault is being political. It's the 'cons inner male patriarchy exhibiting itself. Hmm , coffee

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#308904 - 10/10/18 12:45 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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It is HIGHLY LIKELY we, the public, will never know the absolute facts relating to Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey, circa 1982. It was a very long time ago, there was excessive drinking involved, and no one investigated the details. I have little reason to doubt Dr. Blasey Ford's recollection, however, and well-founded reasons to doubt Kavanaugh's (such as his demeanor, dissembling, and outright prevarications). He'll never be prosecuted or impeached for that.

What is most important, now that he is on the Supreme Court, is how he behaves there. He should not have been confirmed, and would not have been in normal times, but he has been, so we have to see how he deals with it. I have little doubt that he will prove his Federalist Society bona fides, but there is a possibility (however remote) he could be truly independent. I'm an optimist. Hope springs eternal. My biggest hope, though, is that the tide will turn before Thomas retires and a real jurist can take his place.

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#308905 - 10/10/18 04:38 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Kavanaugh is a conservative. He will vote much as we expect him to.
He's not a bad man, he has hired an all female staff. He has a wife and two daughters who love him. His dog probably likes him too.
When you f*ck around and let Republicans take control of government there are certain things that are going to happen. This is one of them.

Democrats can eventually take all this back. If they want it. If they don't, then Republicans will be happy to govern as they see fit.
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#308907 - 10/10/18 04:59 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have little doubt that he will prove his Federalist Society bona fides, but there is a possibility (however remote) he could be truly independent

LOL ... If this was not serious I would say it is pollyannaism at its finest. Here's what I mean.

The Federalist Society has learned its lessons well and will not commit another error in vetting. When you say "little doubt" what I think that means is there is a .9999 probability J Kavanaugh will perform as expected. The small residual probability will depend on whether J Kavanaugh gets stumbling drunk, blacks out, writes an opinion he can't remember and sends to NYT. So when you get optimistic in the face of these odds, I have to chuckle.

I have concluded with more than reasonable certainty, every advancement in personal liberty will be overturned (gay rights and Roe); every federal regulation protecting workers will be overturned; every law legalizing religious (Christian only) discrimination will be upheld; the stack of money on my desk will learn to speak and breath; and this list could go on. I recommend everyone visit https://fedsoc.org/ to find out precisely what is in store for American jurisprudence and its real impact on daily life.
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#308911 - 10/10/18 05:42 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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every advancement in personal liberty will be overturned (gay rights and Roe); every federal regulation protecting workers will be overturned; every law legalizing religious (Christian only) discrimination will be upheld; the stack of money on my desk will learn to speak and breath

Yep, sounds about right. But the more of this that comes about the less credibility the Supreme Court will have. The activism surrounding Roe vs Wade will be reborn when a few hundred daughters of evangelicals die from botched abortions. The obvious Constitutional problems with legislating against gays will arise, and the passage of religious laws will become more and more suspect as the nation grows more secular.

The Supreme Court will find itself under attack as more and more of it's decisions appear to conflict with the Constitution.
People will put up with a lot of bullsh*t but there comes a time when eventually they will rise up and show their displeasure at the polls.
Were going to see a small sampling of that come November and hopefully more yet in 2020.
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#308913 - 10/11/18 12:08 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Two fascinating headlines: FBI's Wray confirms White House limited Kavanaugh probe and Chief justice refers Kavanaugh ethics complaints to judges outside Washington. I didn't realize the ethics complaints would survive his elevation. This could actually be a problem for Kavanaugh.

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#308917 - 10/11/18 03:56 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The story of WH constraints has been floated around. It is a "so what" now. There is no legal remedy except impeachment proceedings which will not be worth the time.

The story of the complaints which J Roberts sat on is more disturbing. I can easily believe the federal courts have been politicized to the point should the complaints be sent out, politics would win.

Sad days for America


Edited by rporter314 (10/11/18 03:58 AM)
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#309010 - 10/21/18 06:00 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I have been noticing that the Republicans are using the way that Kavanaugh was 'treated' to be REALLY offensive. Its really pretty amazing. When he sat down for his act he had been 'prepared' by the White House for approximately 2 weeks. In addition the stuff he had to say was written down beforehand. Its also of passing interest that he didn't actually answer a single question posed, by either side.

So, we have the true believers beating their breasts, wailing foul, actually tearing up at the horrible way the man was treated. He was, basically, asked a few questions and his replies consisted of whining, tearing up, being the victim, and, well, you know, all that dramatic stuff that any halfway competent actor can due if properly trained and he was trained, in theory, by the best our government could supply. He actually did it so well that the very fact that he didn't answer a damned thing was only realized later.

Gotta give credit where due. The preparation and execution of the plan was done really well. Of course the actor (Kavanaugh) was also able to keep the script in front of him the entire time which was kinda cheating but the man isn't a pro, like the Jackass, so he needed a bit more help.

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#309014 - 10/21/18 08:16 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Sorry but if we had focused more on Kavanaugh's history of habitual lying, his ethical lapses, his affinity for ridiculous conspiracy theories and his untreated alcoholism, he would not be sitting in the SCOTUS today.
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#309019 - 10/21/18 11:22 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Jeff ... you have not been paying attention. We are in an era when corruption is ok with the majority party. Why would a few peccadilloes bother these folks?

It would have been easier to confirm him.
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#309029 - 10/23/18 02:13 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I wonder what was in those 12 complaints about Kavanaugh that Justice Roberts was sitting on during the confirmation hearing.

Ignoring Supreme Court decisions?
No pants under the robe when he gets a hot defendant?
Kegger in his chambers every Friday night?

Kind of boggles the mind to think there must be nine more!

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#309030 - 10/23/18 03:59 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: source within quote
The Judicial Conduct and Disability Act of 1980, 28 U.S.C. §§ 351-364 (link is external) establishes a process by which any person can file a complaint alleging a federal judge has engaged in “conduct prejudicial to the effective and expeditious administration of the business of the courts” or has become, by reason of a mental or physical disability, “unable to discharge all the duties” of the judicial office.


"conduct prejudicial" sounds like misconduct and as examples

Originally Posted By: wiki
Actions that can be classified as judicial misconduct include: conduct prejudicial to the effective and expeditious administration of the business of the courts (as an extreme example: "falsification of facts" at summary judgment); using the judge's office to obtain special treatment for friends or relatives; accepting bribes, gifts, or other personal favors related to the judicial office; having improper discussions with parties or counsel for one side in a case; treating litigants or attorneys in a demonstrably egregious and hostile manner; violating other specific, mandatory standards of judicial conduct, such as judicial rules of procedure or evidence, or those pertaining to restrictions on outside income and requirements for financial disclosure; and acting outside the jurisdiction of the court, or performance of official duties if the conduct might have a prejudicial effect on the administration of the business of the courts among reasonable people.


as a note of commentary, I will refer you specifically back to the last Senate hearing when J Kavanaugh gave his introductory remarks and allow you to derive your own conclusions as to relevance to actually complaints
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#309041 - 10/23/18 11:45 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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That tirade did kind of set him up for this: If he fails to recuse himself from any sort of Democrat versus Republican case, he violates many of those standards. If he does recuse himself, the Court is back to 4:4. Sometimes people surprise you. Jeff Sessions was smart enough to side-step going to jail when he recused himself. He obviously observed some bad stuff, and thought: "NOPE"

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#309055 - 10/24/18 09:16 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Well, we're gonna find out pretty qwick, I figure. Even if he doesn't recuse, with the majority, it may make absolutely no difference.

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