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#308714 - 09/29/18 05:52 PM Kavanaugh and the FBI
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We now have the FBI working to get a few facts, insofar as the Kavanaugh appointment is concerned. This was a very long time in coming and absolutely necessary. The TV speculators are running overtime giving us their views on how its all going to turn out - left or right.

We were told, last night that the FBI had already started their investigations (jumped on it quickly). Its generally agreed that in the single week allowed they are going to talk to, literally, hundreds of people and nail down the facts. This is, in other words, their time to shine. The problem, of course, is that Jackass has been working overtime to call everything they do into question so the report is important on all sorts of levels.

My personal fond hope is that they do get the facts so we will know who is telling the truth, who is lying as well as, hopefully, who is pulling at least some of the strings.

The entire Kavanaugh thing was simply amazing. I watched a man, who is a top tier judge, make faces, whine, not answer a single question, and obviously didn't want the FBI involved (joining up with the entire right on this one). What he did do, however, was to explicitly demonstrate that he does not stand neutral but, rather, stands squarely on the far right, along with blaming the Clintons and spectoral 'rich' lefties for all of his problems. What this means to me that any case he sits on, that has any involvement with the left or right (anything involving politics), he must recuse himself. They are also saying that the existing Supremes are not exactly thrilled with his performance either. In other words, regardless of who was lying, I don't think this guy is going to be a judge much longer. His demonstration of this was kinda breathtaking for me. I suspect that any judge witnessing that demonstration of peckish had to make them VERY uncomfortable.

Just saying...............

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#308716 - 09/29/18 06:56 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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They thought they'd gotten away with that Merrick Garland thing... laugh

Kav shoulda backed out as soon as the first allegation came up. One glance at Roy Moore shoulda told him everything he needed to know.
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#308720 - 09/30/18 04:14 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Had this been in "normal" times I suspect he would have withdrawn to not drag the GOP through the muck of partisan battles. But this is not "normal" times. Republicans need an extremist Judge on the high court to implement their agenda, foremost of which is overturning Roe and secondarily protecting Mr Trump (or the presidency). He can not withdraw unless there is overwhelming evidence he is not qualified.

In my mind his display of obnoxious anger during the hearing and his obvious partisanship should disqualify him from any court (I think NWP said that).

If the GOP was smart they would force him to withdraw but I suspect it is not up to them. I believe Mr Trump takes it personal. J Kavanaugh is his choice and America can take him as is without reservation or face the wrath of Mr Trump.
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#308721 - 09/30/18 05:54 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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If the FBI finds information that he has lied, did the deed, etc. I suspect they will confront him, in private, and he will withdraw. Then, of course, he will also have to defend his current job as he, pretty much, defined his own extremism and side. Two things, I think, that should disqualify him from even keeping his current job.

This is, of course, all speculative - we are going to have to wait for the FBI report to see what happens next.

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#308725 - 09/30/18 06:55 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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That certainly speaks my mind.

But now he's damaged goods. There was a public hearing. It's all on tape. Votes are in, Kavanaugh lost. Most of what the FBI has to go on is the tapes. Experts will be reviewing them, and the experts will come to the same conclusion everyone did. The crime was likely committed. But charges are not being made.

Kav and the Repubs can't believe that a crime this trivial is being blown so far out of proportion. A bit of awkward youthful groping while under the influence of alcohol. It's been happening since monkeys first ate rotten fruit. It's happening this very instant in a million places all over the world. He didn't go on to be a serial rapist and has had a successful career in the judging industry. She advanced in academia and is a well respected college professor. No one's life was ruined.

FBI will consider this aspect too.

That perjury though....if that becomes an issue?

Ya never know these days. Used to be able to run these things through the processor and more or less predict the outcome.
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#308731 - 09/30/18 10:38 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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As usual, it's not the original crime that gets you: It's the cover up. If he just had apologized to Ford sincerely years ago, and told the committee that he did some bad stuff he's not proud of when he was drunk as a teen, then it would not be such a big deal. But now it's perjury, and in a sitting judge, no less a SC nominee, that's a huge deal.

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#308733 - 10/01/18 02:45 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
Greger Offline

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Yes....delicious isn't it. grin
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#308754 - 10/02/18 01:21 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Debbie Downer time: the FBI effort is being hamstrung so that it can't get to any serious dirt. It isn't going to make a "recommendation". It doesn't even appear to be allowed to address perjury. There will be enough to give cover to Flake, Collins, Murkowski to confirm. We're stuck with this miscreant, just like Thomas. He'll be just as angry and represent revanchist old white men for decades. There's nothing so dangerous as an old frat boy who got caught.

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#308756 - 10/02/18 04:21 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
Greger Offline

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yeah, I know. But his vote will be the same on every issue as the most "moderate" judge Trump might nominate. They've got this seat and there's nothing we can do. Whether it be Kavanaugh or someone else.

Kavanaugh's credibility is shot though. He's damaged goods. In a perfect world, where Democrats really do take over, there are even grounds for impeachment.

His character has been assassinated, he has perjured himself, and the political sh*tshow that's going to put him on the court is questionable at best. He will likely be a pariah even as he sits on the court.
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#308757 - 10/02/18 04:36 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I wonder what Mike Judge is going to tell the FBI. I'm sure he has a lawyer telling him about the danger of lying to the feds, and some of these Trump guys are going to (or in) jail for that. Does "bro code" include doing jail time for your bro?

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