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#308760 - 10/02/18 05:50 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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On wrong side of limb

I predict without benefit of FBI report Sen McConnell believes he will have 50 votes, which is the winning number. I predict Republicans will have 50 votes. They will rationalize the (unseen) report as not enough to consider J Kavanaugh lied enough to disqualify him (and remember the time constraints and possibility Democrats are threatening winning the Senate)(and I am typing this as I hear a new report J Kavanaugh lied to the committee).

Folks ... the dynamics have changed. What was once predicated on rational thought is no longer the case. We are living a democracy the Founders feared but could not prevent.
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#308769 - 10/03/18 07:24 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Interesting story on Slate:

Texts Reportedly Show Kavanaugh Coordinating Response With Friends

This was before the Ramirez allegations came out in the New York Times, but Kavanaugh told the Senate he had no information about the allegations or contact with Ramirez since college. How did he know what the allegations would be? Probably because he was there and did exactly what she claimed? So that's perjury before Congress.

Then there's the other little bit of trouble in calling up witnesses to try to coordinate their story before an investigation. We have a name for that: It's called Witness Tampering and Manafort is in jail for it.

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#308774 - 10/03/18 03:46 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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I suspect as one reporter stated, it was probably an investigative reporters nosing around which alerted Kavanaugh allies of an impending story. He would be engaged in getting ahead of the story but not necessarily suborning perjury.

More difficult and probably indefensible would be the LIE he told the committee.

However, back to reality, Republicans do not care if J Kavanaugh eats babies for breakfast or has pubic sex with porn stars, he is their man, and especially now that he has become a lightening rod for the battle between the right and the left.

If you believe rational thought and arguments will win the day and that Republicans will see the light, then I have a well known bridge which has been sold on numerous occasions to people who believe in ideals which do not exist. Not to be overly harsh but we are in a Darwinian death match ... survival of ideals ... this is primal ... and the imperative is to ensure survival of your ideals. If you see rational thought and arguments in any of that ... well, you have not seen Sen Graham make an arse of himself
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#308785 - 10/03/18 08:30 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
They will rationalize the (unseen) report as not enough to consider J Kavanaugh lied enough to disqualify him ... a new report J Kavanaugh lied to the committee).


Ahh, remember it is a Federal Crime to lie to a Senate Committee.

If the Democrats take the House and Senate, the Democrats, if they have the cojones, could then impeach J. Kavanaugh on grounds he committed a federal crime and remove him from SCOTUS.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (10/03/18 08:33 PM)
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#308787 - 10/03/18 09:16 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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No way of convicting in the Senate ... sorry.

For there to be a chance of this happening the Democrats would have to hold about 60 seats and hope there are 6 or 7 moderate Republicans willing to buck their leadership

do the math
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#308788 - 10/03/18 11:11 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Would you like to read a copy of "Wasted: Confessions of a Gen-X Drunk"? It's out of print but someone uploaded it.

RAW STORY - Mark Judge's Book Online
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#308789 - 10/04/18 12:09 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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it is a Federal Crime to lie to a Senate Committee.


They don't have to impeach him. He has no Presidential immunity. Lying to Congress under oath is still a crime. They can charge and convict him. President Trump could theoretically pardon him, but that would be an admission of guilt. He would be disbarred and disgraced, and the Republicans would dwindle into a tiny Third Party.

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#308792 - 10/04/18 12:24 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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the Republicans would dwindle into a tiny Third Party.


The old "final nail in the coffin lid" theorem again, eh?
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#308794 - 10/04/18 04:36 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Lying to Congress under oath is still a crime.

Point ... counter-point

DoJ has to bring charges. Can you imagine a scenario where AG Sessions thinks what J Kavanaugh said was lying? Republicans think that only a video of the assault on Dr Ford along with 3 witnesses would tip the scales.

So, while it is a crime, I don't think anyone will charge him with it.
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#308795 - 10/04/18 07:27 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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It's silly for Republicans to bet everything on Kavanaugh. So he gets confirmed, but then the House flips parties and the Democrats can investigate with all relevant witnesses subpoenaed. And their hearings are all public and so is their final report. They can investigate Trump's tax fraud as well. Everyone will know exactly what Kavanaugh (and Trump) did. Their reputations will be in tatters not because Democrats are out to smear them, but because of the bad things they actually did.

The optics for the Republican Party are lethal. Everyone will know they really are the party of rapists, fraudsters, racists, etc. Their diehard (rapist, fraudster, and racist) base may still support them but most people will recoil in horror.

And all this is so easily avoided: Just vet your candidates carefully before nominating or appointing them and reject the problematic ones. It's something every HR department in every successful company does every day. Apparently Trump is a lousy CEO.

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