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#308686 - 09/28/18 01:17 AM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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I can remember when one of the super rich complained because he was paying less taxes than his secretary, percentage wise.


That was Warren Buffet: Almost all of his income is capital gains and dividends, so even at the maximum it's taxed far less than moderate earned income rates. He was talking about the percentage he pays versus the percentage his secretary pays. He is truly one of the virtuous rich: He thinks all kinds of income should be taxed at the same rates.

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#308688 - 09/28/18 01:26 AM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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The super rich got to pay super taxes.

Yes, the government got a little too greedy and the rich revolted.
Now the greedy rich refuse to pay their share.
Greed greed greed.
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#308695 - 09/28/18 05:43 AM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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And the crazy thing is that they really have no need for it. When you have 100 million dollars, and earn 5 million a year on it, what more can you buy with 40% tax versus 50% tax? Does anybody need to leave their kid more than 5 million dollars? If he's going to do something productive, then 5 million is plenty to get him going. If you want him to be a total waste of oxygen, then leave him more!

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#308701 - 09/28/18 06:13 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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"Yes, the government got a little too greedy and the rich revolted."

They didn't revolt they just bought the elected class. This was less dramatic and didn't leave a lot of blood on the streets. They also seem to have bought more of the political right than the political left which kinda also says something. Hopefully there is enough of the political left that has not been so corrupted that they can fight to level stuff up a bit. Without blood on the street.

The place to start might be to tighten up the regulations on both the elected class and those that would buy their favors.

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#308708 - 09/28/18 09:19 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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The place to start might be to tighten up the regulations on both the elected class and those that would buy their favors.


Once you've elected foxes to guard the henhouse it's a little late to ask them to swear off eating chicken...
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#308712 - 09/29/18 05:13 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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since this is, basically, an exercise in wishful thinking I would suggest that, if the left takes congress, they MUST do some of this stuff! The problem, I think, is in the choices. I is, therefore, not a bad thing to make a little suggestion, here and there?

Actually, I would like them to do a couple of things to punish the Righteous Right and then, at least, make an effort to get back to legislating by finding common ground (the sweet spot?). (if one is wishfully thinking why not go for the whole hog!)

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#308715 - 09/29/18 06:34 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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I know...I know...I've just become so skeptical.
As if wishful thinking would jinx any chance of it ever improving.
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#308722 - 09/30/18 06:00 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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If nothing else the Jackass administration has proven that we simply don't have enough control over the office of president. I think the assumption would always be the the American electorate can be counted on to do the right thing even though some would quibble that. The fact is that it turns out the American electorate is not infallible and we need rules to help that one along. At the top of that list is the presentation of financial affairs of them that want the position. I am sure there are others but care is required so it doesn't get completely bogged down with regulation.

We need good people to stand for public office. If we start regulating who can run, what they own, their private info, etc. then its unlikely all that many folks will stand up. So, basically, care is required or we really screw the donkey.

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#308763 - 10/02/18 08:38 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: jgw]
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I think the assumption would always be the the American electorate can be counted on to do the right thing

Boy howdy aint it the truth? I don't know how many times I told people that the rest of us wouldn't let them elect Trump.
Then they said "Hold my beer and watch this."
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#308771 - 10/03/18 12:00 PM Re: A time when politics were not all about greed [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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I think the assumption would always be the the American electorate can be counted on to do the right thing

Boy howdy aint it the truth? I don't know how many times I told people that the rest of us wouldn't let them elect Trump.
Then they said "Hold my beer and watch this."

Let me ask the $64,000 question about the elephant in the room - what is the simplest explanation for why 40% of Americans admire Trump, to the point of defending, even praising, every last bit of scumbaggery that he excretes upon all of us?

I can't think of anyone who is more obviously a toxic pile of smoking sociopathic shiit. What am I not understanding about our delusional sistren and brethren?
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