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#308881 - 10/09/18 01:58 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
Greger Offline

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It bothers me when supposedly informed and morally superior people use politics as an excuse to destroy somebody's life.


Doesn't bother you at all when Republicans do it though does it.
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#308883 - 10/09/18 02:29 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Calling out rapists is not about politics, as much as you wish this all was. It's about rape or attempted rape. It's not even about sex or under-aged sex, or Romeo-and Juliet exceptions to the statuary rape laws.

They used to hang people for that. Did you know that Maryland has no statute of limitations on assault with intent to rape (a felony) or kidnapping (just pulling somebody into a room against their will for nefarious purposes qualifies). Kavanaugh may be the first Supreme Court Justice to end up in prison.

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#308903 - 10/10/18 04:46 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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'cons think that woman bold enough to discuss their sexual assault is being political. It's the 'cons inner male patriarchy exhibiting itself. Hmm , coffee

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#308904 - 10/10/18 12:45 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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It is HIGHLY LIKELY we, the public, will never know the absolute facts relating to Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey, circa 1982. It was a very long time ago, there was excessive drinking involved, and no one investigated the details. I have little reason to doubt Dr. Blasey Ford's recollection, however, and well-founded reasons to doubt Kavanaugh's (such as his demeanor, dissembling, and outright prevarications). He'll never be prosecuted or impeached for that.

What is most important, now that he is on the Supreme Court, is how he behaves there. He should not have been confirmed, and would not have been in normal times, but he has been, so we have to see how he deals with it. I have little doubt that he will prove his Federalist Society bona fides, but there is a possibility (however remote) he could be truly independent. I'm an optimist. Hope springs eternal. My biggest hope, though, is that the tide will turn before Thomas retires and a real jurist can take his place.

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#308905 - 10/10/18 04:38 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Kavanaugh is a conservative. He will vote much as we expect him to.
He's not a bad man, he has hired an all female staff. He has a wife and two daughters who love him. His dog probably likes him too.
When you f*ck around and let Republicans take control of government there are certain things that are going to happen. This is one of them.

Democrats can eventually take all this back. If they want it. If they don't, then Republicans will be happy to govern as they see fit.
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#308907 - 10/10/18 04:59 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have little doubt that he will prove his Federalist Society bona fides, but there is a possibility (however remote) he could be truly independent

LOL ... If this was not serious I would say it is pollyannaism at its finest. Here's what I mean.

The Federalist Society has learned its lessons well and will not commit another error in vetting. When you say "little doubt" what I think that means is there is a .9999 probability J Kavanaugh will perform as expected. The small residual probability will depend on whether J Kavanaugh gets stumbling drunk, blacks out, writes an opinion he can't remember and sends to NYT. So when you get optimistic in the face of these odds, I have to chuckle.

I have concluded with more than reasonable certainty, every advancement in personal liberty will be overturned (gay rights and Roe); every federal regulation protecting workers will be overturned; every law legalizing religious (Christian only) discrimination will be upheld; the stack of money on my desk will learn to speak and breath; and this list could go on. I recommend everyone visit https://fedsoc.org/ to find out precisely what is in store for American jurisprudence and its real impact on daily life.
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#308911 - 10/10/18 05:42 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: rporter314]
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every advancement in personal liberty will be overturned (gay rights and Roe); every federal regulation protecting workers will be overturned; every law legalizing religious (Christian only) discrimination will be upheld; the stack of money on my desk will learn to speak and breath

Yep, sounds about right. But the more of this that comes about the less credibility the Supreme Court will have. The activism surrounding Roe vs Wade will be reborn when a few hundred daughters of evangelicals die from botched abortions. The obvious Constitutional problems with legislating against gays will arise, and the passage of religious laws will become more and more suspect as the nation grows more secular.

The Supreme Court will find itself under attack as more and more of it's decisions appear to conflict with the Constitution.
People will put up with a lot of bullsh*t but there comes a time when eventually they will rise up and show their displeasure at the polls.
Were going to see a small sampling of that come November and hopefully more yet in 2020.
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#308913 - 10/11/18 12:08 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Greger]
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Two fascinating headlines: FBI's Wray confirms White House limited Kavanaugh probe and Chief justice refers Kavanaugh ethics complaints to judges outside Washington. I didn't realize the ethics complaints would survive his elevation. This could actually be a problem for Kavanaugh.

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#308917 - 10/11/18 03:56 AM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
rporter314 Offline
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Registered: 03/18/03
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The story of WH constraints has been floated around. It is a "so what" now. There is no legal remedy except impeachment proceedings which will not be worth the time.

The story of the complaints which J Roberts sat on is more disturbing. I can easily believe the federal courts have been politicized to the point should the complaints be sent out, politics would win.

Sad days for America


Edited by rporter314 (10/11/18 03:58 AM)
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#309010 - 10/21/18 06:00 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 2556
Loc: Port Angeles, WA
I have been noticing that the Republicans are using the way that Kavanaugh was 'treated' to be REALLY offensive. Its really pretty amazing. When he sat down for his act he had been 'prepared' by the White House for approximately 2 weeks. In addition the stuff he had to say was written down beforehand. Its also of passing interest that he didn't actually answer a single question posed, by either side.

So, we have the true believers beating their breasts, wailing foul, actually tearing up at the horrible way the man was treated. He was, basically, asked a few questions and his replies consisted of whining, tearing up, being the victim, and, well, you know, all that dramatic stuff that any halfway competent actor can due if properly trained and he was trained, in theory, by the best our government could supply. He actually did it so well that the very fact that he didn't answer a damned thing was only realized later.

Gotta give credit where due. The preparation and execution of the plan was done really well. Of course the actor (Kavanaugh) was also able to keep the script in front of him the entire time which was kinda cheating but the man isn't a pro, like the Jackass, so he needed a bit more help.

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