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#308851 - 10/07/18 10:43 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
He probably should have just set a deadline: Said that the Senate has one month to "advise and consent" and if they chose not to then Garland would be seated.

Dammit! That's a good idea, but a bit past it's prime. I mean, if McConnell wants to f_ck around with "interpreting" the Constitution, then Obama should have pushed it up his asse with a complementary interpretation.
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#308852 - 10/07/18 11:52 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Exactly. Unfortunately, Obama took playing "the dignified negro" a little too far. People who were going to hate him just for being black, were not going to change their minds because he was "nice". So he was just a bit of a pushover, when it came to Garland. It should have at least cost McConnell something for not doing his job. Instead, Obama went along with the "no SC nominees in the last year" BS. As soon as Republicans started saying "no consent to any Hillary nominees", he should have put his foot down. Preferably on some of those azholes necks.

Like file lawsuits and fund recall drives.

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#308855 - 10/08/18 01:31 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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It is endlessly depressing, as someone who absolutely loves the Constitution and what it represents, to have Brett Kavanaugh elevated to the Supreme Court. As I've opined before, and as 2400 law professors stated in writing, his partisan intemperance during his hearing alone disqualified him from the bench. But qualification no longer applies - ideological obedience trumps everything.

The majority of Supreme Court Justices are now Federalist Society adherents. It cannot be overstated how destructive that is. The Federalist Society is not "conservative" in its views. It is the definition of extremism.
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The Federalist Society claims to value the so-called strict construction of the Constitution, but this supposedly neutral mode of constitutional interpretation lines up suspiciously well with Republican policy preferences — say, gutting laws that protect voting rights, or opening the floodgates to unlimited political spending, or undermining women’s reproductive freedom, or destroying public-sector labor unions’ ability to stand up for the interests of workers.
NYT Editorial Board, "There’s So Much You Don’t Know About Brett Kavanaugh".

"Textual" to the FS means tribal. "Originalism" is code for "our way", and regards any precedent that doesn't achieve their ends as anathema. The FS is extremely undemocratic and certainly anti-minority. FS justices have used the flimsiest of excuses to gut laws and regulations, create new doctrines out of whole cloth, and ignore or reverse centuries of jurisprudence - going back to the 1880s (I'm not kidding). They gutted the Voting Rights Act, for crying out loud, and are gunning for the Civil Rights Act. They oppose regulation of corporations, promote hidden money in politics, are financed by the Koch brothers, and could be the second coming of the Nazi party. I'm not whistling Dixie here (although they may be). See for yourself: federalist society webpage; Wikipedia. We are in mortal danger of becoming a banana republic where even taking Congress and the White House won't matter.

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#308856 - 10/08/18 02:39 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is endlessly depressing, as someone who absolutely loves the Constitution and what it represents, to have Brett Kavanaugh elevated to the Supreme Court. As I've opined before, and as 2400 law professors stated in writing, his partisan intemperance during his hearing alone disqualified him from the bench. But qualification no longer applies - ideological obedience trumps everything.

The majority of Supreme Court Justices are now Federalist Society adherents. It cannot be overstated how destructive that is. The Federalist Society is not "conservative" in its views. It is the definition of extremism.
Quote:
The Federalist Society claims to value the so-called strict construction of the Constitution, but this supposedly neutral mode of constitutional interpretation lines up suspiciously well with Republican policy preferences — say, gutting laws that protect voting rights, or opening the floodgates to unlimited political spending, or undermining women’s reproductive freedom, or destroying public-sector labor unions’ ability to stand up for the interests of workers.
NYT Editorial Board, "There’s So Much You Don’t Know About Brett Kavanaugh".

"Textual" to the FS means tribal. "Originalism" is code for "our way", and regards any precedent that doesn't achieve their ends as anathema. The FS is extremely undemocratic and certainly anti-minority. FS justices have used the flimsiest of excuses to gut laws and regulations, create new doctrines out of whole cloth, and ignore or reverse centuries of jurisprudence - going back to the 1880s (I'm not kidding). They gutted the Voting Rights Act, for crying out loud, and are gunning for the Civil Rights Act. They oppose regulation of corporations, promote hidden money in politics, are financed by the Koch brothers, and could be the second coming of the Nazi party. I'm not whistling Dixie here (although they may be). See for yourself: federalist society webpage; Wikipedia. We are in mortal danger of becoming a banana republic where even taking Congress and the White House won't matter.


Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider.

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#308857 - 10/08/18 03:15 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Gee ... an editorial is an opinion. It is not news nor is it meant to be.

So when you mention WND or NewsMax you are in fact mentioning aggregators of opinions thinly disguised as news. As an example, which I found very amusing at the time, there was an article in WND which proclaimed there was evidence Saddam sent all his WMDs to Syria. When reading the article it was in fact the opinion of some General etc etc. That is fake news

So, now that you know what fake news is I challenge you to find fake news articles in the NYT which prove your claim the NYT is the ultimate fake news provider.

So please ... lets see the evidence ... . the easiest way to convince someone of your opinion is to present the proof .... otherwise I will conclude you are full of the caca del toro



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#308858 - 10/08/18 03:19 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider. Tim

Where do you go for your news, Tim?
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#308859 - 10/08/18 03:50 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Quoting the NYT is a little like quoting WND or NewsMax. There is nothing in the NYT that a conservative would believe. They are the ultimate fake news provider. Tim

Where do you go for your news, Tim?


Everywhere I can.

Online I look at the Washington Times, the Boston Herald, the Boston Globe, Drudge, WSJ. From Drudge, I follow the links to the relevant content.

Live, I watch the local news channels. I have very little interest in the major talking head channels. Fox, CNN and MSNBC are all useless mouthpieces and deserve to die a painful electronic death, electron by electron.

The NYT is just another mouthpiece of the left and cannot be trusted to tell the truth. It seems like their editorial board decides what the slant of the news coverage will be that the news division produces. The Boston Globe is the same as the NYT, but I have no choice but to use it as a resource for local information.

Drudge is great because he has all of the links that let me go where the news is most pertinent, especially the foreign links.

It is hard to find unbiased news, and that is disappointing. What I find myself doing to surfing news and trying to piece together the truth. Every newspaper has to be associated with a political philosophy today, there isn't a truly non-partisan news source available. The press leans mostly left, which from your perspective must seems like a blessing, but it makes people like me dismiss major outlets because they cannot be trusted to tell the whole story and what they do tell us is slanted to meet their papers agenda.

Most journalists are writing fiction, some are writing science fiction. There is nothing in the market that I can truly believe. The news today cannot be trusted, it is put through a filter and what comes out is no longer accurate. I try to understand who, what, where, when and why. That turn of a phrase is no longer what drives journalism.

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#308860 - 10/08/18 04:46 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: Ma_Republican]
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I try to understand who, what, where, when and why. Tim

From your previous highly biased and propaganda filled posts, I don't think you are doing a very good job of it. Have you checked this out?

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content...in-1024x759.jpg
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#308861 - 10/08/18 04:56 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: jgw]
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Gee, it must be difficult to be you. Seems like everybody is out to get you. So-called mainstream media (the 99%) says your favorite sources of "truth" (the 1%) are all fake.

Even the Wall Street Journal (which is pretty good on financial news) is now owned by Rupert Murdock. The problem is that editors-in-chief at his newspapers have admitted in court that their products are just for entertainment, not news. The are essentially just a big Nigerian Letter scam, putting the maximum amount of money in Rupert's pocket. He's not even Red or Blue: He's Green! (as in money) If a liberal slant got him as good a return, his papers would be liberal.

I would suggest you try reading the Christian Science Monitor.

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#308864 - 10/08/18 05:24 PM Re: Kavanaugh and the FBI [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Gee, it must be difficult to be you. Seems like everybody is out to get you. So-called mainstream media (the 99%) says your favorite sources of "truth" (the 1%) are all fake.

Even the Wall Street Journal (which is pretty good on financial news) is now owned by Rupert Murdock. The problem is that editors-in-chief at his newspapers have admitted in court that their products are just for entertainment, not news. The are essentially just a big Nigerian Letter scam, putting the maximum amount of money in Rupert's pocket. He's not even Red or Blue: He's Green! (as in money) If a liberal slant got him as good a return, his papers would be liberal.

I would suggest you try reading the Christian Science Monitor.


Ah, you see? It doesn't matter what I said I read, you would find fault because it wasn't on the approved list.

Look, this is the facts, 40% of the country leans right, 40% leans left and 20% decides at election. You would think that it would be in everybody's best interest to just report on the news and leave opinions to the editorials.

I don't really care what you think. I don't really believe that you are informed as much as you are brainwashed. The fact that I go out of my way to find news is a rare thing these days. So, enjoy yourselves, knowing how superior you really are, and I will struggle along knowing that I am just some poor shlub who is inferior in all ways. Then, when election day comes, I will realize that politics are like a buffet; with all of the choices there are really only a couple that I would actually want. Recent history says that the shlubs are doing OK at the buffet.

Tim
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