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#309024 - 10/22/18 07:05 PM Re: Voters [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
... we need leaders who are clear-eyed about realities and focused on the best future for all of us, not just their cronies and fellow travelers. The best chance of finding them is getting rid of the old thinkers standing in their way.


Yes, the Republican Party, Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, Warner, Stabenow, Murray, Feinstein, etc. Make room for Booker, Harris, Warren, Gillibrand, Hirono, Duckworth a few others and the liberal Young Turks just entering the arena.
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#309025 - 10/22/18 07:52 PM Re: Voters [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
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Now that we're here, though, what do we do about it? In my view, we need leaders who are clear-eyed about realities and focused on the best future for all of us, not just their cronies and fellow travelers. The best chance of finding them is getting rid of the old thinkers standing in their way.


Get rid of the corporate wing, go bold with ideas, go populists with your message. Crush the fat cats with your support of ideas that have overwhelming majority approval. It aint hard unless your taking the corporate money.

Or, as the Democratic autopsy one year later stated:

“One of the overarching important themes of the report is a challenge to the conventional wisdom that the best way for Democrats to defeat Republicans is to give ground to them and be ‘moderate,’” Solomon said. “Overall, the results haven't been good when Democratic candidates have poured vast amounts of resources and messaging into trying to appeal to the relatively scant number of ‘persuadable’ Republicans rather than inspiring enthusiasm and mobilizing turnout. When avoiding or opposing progressive populism, Democratic Party leadership has allowed right-wing populism to be the only door open for anger against the establishment.”

report here

It's worked remarkably well for this party in Yirrup, lead by this Corbyn fella. Membership has actually increased in his Labour part he now leads.
In the U.S. the traditional populist party of the people has been led by classist technocrats that have managed to cut the balls off the huntin dog and wonder why they come up short on votes after elections....


Edited by chunkstyle (10/22/18 07:58 PM)

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#309026 - 10/22/18 08:12 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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Here's an example of a dog that can hunt
Populism intact

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#309028 - 10/23/18 01:55 AM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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I have a delicious US Representative choice this year: I could vote for Duncan Hunter, who has been indicted on over 60 charges of misuse of campaign money, wire fraud, and so forth. Or I could vote for the Democrat. Duncan and his wife go on trial after the election, but it's really a very well documented and blatant case so he's 99.99% sure to be found guilty of something. The first thing he thought of was to blame it all on his wife! I think a divorce is it his near future, too.

This should be fun either way. Unfortunately, when a US Rep goes to jail and resigns the governor doesn't get to appoint his choice. That only happens for absent Senators. Instead they have to hold a special election, so Republicans would get a chance to trot out some troglodyte for that. Like Mitt, if they could persuade him. He did have a summer house in San Diego for a while.

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#309031 - 10/23/18 04:05 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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If she is a Trump supporter, she will not file for divorce. She will double her support for Mr Trump in hopes of fulfilling her already large self loathing quotient.

If he is in a largely Republican district, there is a better than even chance he will be elected.

I mean really ... let me repeat something I have said many times ... the American electorate is largely stupid
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#309032 - 10/23/18 04:29 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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The american republic is largely alienated and uninspired while working crap jobs for crap wages. AT least republicans offer their voters the enjoyment of owning the Libs. Libs offer more endless think tank drivel about norms and traditions and Bi-partison solutions.

Here's a fresh hot take on the Great Pretenders' hectoring recently that points this up:
Your indifference only makes us ignore you more

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#309040 - 10/23/18 11:36 PM Re: Voters [Re: rporter314]
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there is a better than even chance he will be elected

Certainly, and I'm going to enjoy that outcome, too. Because the charges are SO many, SO well documented, and SO blatant they are both going to be convicted. I mean they took the kids to Disneyland on campaign funds, for God's sake! They both actively tried to hide their illegal spending by telling their accountant personal items were for supporter entertainment.

It's going to be really entertaining watching people who voted for him deal with their crimes and their sentences. Reality comes to rub their dumb-ass noses in the poo they made in the House.

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#309059 - 10/25/18 06:08 AM Re: Voters [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Here's an example of a dog that can hunt
Populism intact


I don't see him as a populist actually, just a Dem with some sack.
I hope he eventually runs for the WH.
Trouble is, I wish he'd run in 2020.
Trump and any other Repub would be toast.
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#309060 - 10/25/18 12:47 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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I could get behind him!
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#309062 - 10/25/18 01:19 PM Re: Voters [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Here's an example of a dog that can hunt
Populism intact


I don't see him as a populist actually, just a Dem with some sack.
I hope he eventually runs for the WH.
Trouble is, I wish he'd run in 2020.
Trump and any other Repub would be toast.


We've seen that play Jeff.
I doubt very much that the corporate wing of the party would let him. If recent history is a guide they would certainly put the fix in on the fight.

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