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#309064 - 10/25/18 04:41 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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Great interview of Ralph Nader by Larry King on why and how the Democrats won't win in 2018. Interview with Nader begins at 15;00.
But hey, there's always Bob Mueller to come in for the wind. Amiright?

They'd rather keep their state rooms and go down with the ship...

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#309074 - 10/26/18 04:09 AM Re: Voters [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Here's an example of a dog that can hunt
Populism intact


I don't see him as a populist actually, just a Dem with some sack.
I hope he eventually runs for the WH.
Trouble is, I wish he'd run in 2020.
Trump and any other Repub would be toast.


We've seen that play Jeff.
I doubt very much that the corporate wing of the party would let him. If recent history is a guide they would certainly put the fix in on the fight.


Possibly but I think it also depends on whether they want to chalk up another loss.

2010 - 2014 - 2016...

2018? 2020? Can a party actually sustain five major losses of that magnitude?

Like was said, keeping their staterooms while going down with the ship. But sometimes seeing the water line actually traverse the portholes in your stateroom provides impetus in the right direction for a change, especially when you start to realize that the other guys already took all the lifeboats.
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#309079 - 10/26/18 12:30 PM Re: Voters [Re: jgw]
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Is that a wished for sentiment Jeff? From my perspective, these races have been very winnable and should be now. You have one of the most unpopular presidents in modern history with unpopular policies from his party tightening the race. As Nader said 'eerily reminiscent of 2016'.
You cant wage a populist battle with a corporate majority of 'new democrats' dominating your party.
If you do, the results are defeats in 2010-2014-2016, etc...
My gut tells me Nader's right and telling the truth. These centrists Dems need to be thrown overboard. They don't deliver anything to anyone cept their donors.

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#309085 - 10/26/18 04:19 PM Re: Voters [Re: chunkstyle]
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They don't deliver anything to anyone cept their donors.


Ojeda is still thinking like a soldier. Once elected he will begin to think like a politician. It might take a couple or terms but he'll come around.
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