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#309222 - 11/06/18 07:18 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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A country run along Scandanavian-style socialist principles would be great. But a country run by corporate Democrats would still be a lot better than a country run by insane Fascists.

Today is simple: Good versus evil. Once we're back to good, we can work on better. If too many people vote for better, good loses to evil. Simple math.

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#309225 - 11/06/18 08:17 PM Re: What Left? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Today is simple: Good versus evil. Once we're back to good, we can work on better. If too many people vote for better, good loses to evil. Simple math.


And that is exactly the way I see it. It's a two party system and there's no way to wedge a third in. Simple answer is to take over one of the parties from within. The corporate overlords are resisting it but it's still the weakest point in their defenses.
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#309228 - 11/06/18 09:10 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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If you circle in the ballot for Gillum on the Working Families Party line instead of the Democratic line he's still a democrat Gregor. He doesn't change who he is or what he's running on. It merely means that WFP was able to deliver X amount of votes to the democratic candidate. If it's a significant number Gillum will have to keep their interest in mind.
Or you can vote on the straight right wing Goldman Sachs ticket and see how well that works out.
Oh wait we already have.

I'm not interested in Scandanavia or apocalyptic comparisons PIA. I'm merely interested in advancing progressive causes. Applying pressure where ever possible.

Crickets for the question of how straight party line voting advances progressive causes?
Ya can't even get a minimum pay raise passed from that set.

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#309230 - 11/06/18 09:35 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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If you circle in the ballot for Gillum on the Working Families Party line instead of the Democratic line he's still a democrat Gregor.

I didn't see that option on my ballot. Gillum only appeared on one line. Perhaps that was somewhere in the fine print and I missed it.
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#309231 - 11/06/18 09:44 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Crickets for the question of how straight party line voting advances progressive causes?
Ya can't even get a minimum pay raise passed from that set.


If progressive causes want to advance themselves they better get candidates running as Democrats.
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#309232 - 11/06/18 09:48 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Fine vote there then. Should a progressive party get on the ballot in the future in Florida you could consider circling in on their line for the same candidate.
Here in New York there are nine parties with the main two right wing parties candidates appearing on multiple lines. (The two right wing parties being the Democratic and Republican parties)
Governor Cuomo is listed on Democratic ticket, WFP and Independant. Those are three choices I have should I want to vote on for that candidate.
Similar situation for the ultra right Republican challenger.
Your vote still gets counted for the candidate even if you vote thru a third party.
Up here, Democratic and WPA are usually identical with some crossover with independant and Green. Likewise with Republican, Conservative and Libertarian parties.
It ain't much but it least it lets em know where their votes are coming from.


Edited by chunkstyle (11/06/18 09:56 PM)

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#309233 - 11/06/18 09:53 PM Re: What Left? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all


Today is simple: Good versus evil. Once we're back to good, we can work on better. If too many people vote for better, good loses to evil. Simple math.


A perfect description of the last 30 years of neoliberal centrist rational to the voters. Well said.

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#309242 - 11/07/18 02:07 AM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Sorry, I misunderstood you. I've never seen ballots with multiple parties running the same candidate. New York must be a lot more "parliamentary" than California. Sure, if that was the case, then voting for the Democrat via the Greens or whatever would be fine.

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#309265 - 11/07/18 05:15 PM Re: What Left? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Welp...I'm going back to the premise of the Original Post...

What left?

They certainly didn't come out of the woodwork to support the left leaning candidates. My conclusion has to be that they simply don't exist either as a revolutionary force or even a dependable voting block.
It is up to corporate centrists to save the day while the avant garde, the modern day Bohemians, sit in the coffee shops and wine bars and commiserate over their unfortunate circumstances on social media.
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#309267 - 11/07/18 06:04 PM Re: What Left? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Not sure I agree with the conclusion of the election results, Gregor.
It has been a grab bag of centrists, leftists and right wing democrats all winning and losing about the same.
Beto, Gillum, Ojeda etc represented degrees on the right/left spectrum. All lost.
We got DSA candidates in office up and down the ticket. The centrist running in my district got hammered,for good reasons, running a resume campaign much like Clinton.
It took 35 years for the neoliberal project to vanquish the new deal. My guess is that the DNC will become more reflexive and shrill demanding a move move to the center (further right).

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