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#309555 - 11/26/18 11:12 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Is that SSDD Ken?

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#309556 - 11/26/18 12:29 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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An interesting op-ed peice from Hedges discussing the path towards neoliberal fascism. He quotes a lot from his recent video conversations with David Harvey on the history of neoliberalism.

The neoliberal road to fascism

As the Democratic Party becomes the party of the human hog farms of the wealthy suburbs, my fear is that it will find itself more wedded to the characteristics that define this large swath of Murica. An atomized society from which no culture grows or solidarity flourishes. It's organizing principle is consumption and convenience.
It's hard to see the Democratic Party escaping this cultural and political black hole. The irony will be when cannibal capitalism comes for them. What then?

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#309557 - 11/26/18 06:07 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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What then?


Revolution.

Wouldn't be the first time in history that the proles were overrun by the bourgeoisie and forced into revolution.
The US is currently undergoing a civil war of sorts. A simmering hatred of one side for the other. It's hard to get a proper revolution going when the proles are already at war with themselves.

The bourgeoisie control the propaganda and keep the proles at each others throats so they can't organize a revolution.

So, in conclusion...no revolution is possible when revolution is the only possible solution. Our corporate overlords have got us by the short hairs.
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#309682 - 12/03/18 05:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Uh Oh. there's gunna be some anger from the neolibs when they hear the jungle drums start beating again:
Sanders 2020

If he goes I wonder who he'll run with?

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#309689 - 12/04/18 12:44 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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He is 77. Maybe it's time to find a protege to promote. Maybe several proteges.
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#309691 - 12/04/18 01:35 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If Bernie can rekindle the excitement he's a shoo in.

But...any Democrat might be a shoo in if the Trump train goes off the rails between now and then.

Sherrod Brown might be a name to watch too.
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#309692 - 12/04/18 02:20 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Yeah, Sherrod Brown looks to be the last democrat and will probably have to turn the lights off in Ohio for the Democratic Party. It's a shame he didn't back Sanders in the primary. Insiders said it felt like a real Betrayel for Sanders but that's politics. I like Brown. It. Can only help to have his voice in the mix.

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#309695 - 12/04/18 03:33 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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UMASS just finished a study that found the saveings would be larger with medicare expansion for all than the previous Koch study found. By a LOT.
At this point, with 70% of Americans in favor of a medicare for all plan and a huge cost savings to the country with better outcomes one wonders why any so called Democrat would not back this as a major campaign issue for 2020. Aside from the objection coming from market world of ideas...
UMass study
THere's another effort here in New York called 'Healthy New York' that has been gaining traction. It would essentially divert monies that the state sends to the federal agency and funds a state level 'Medicare for all' system administered by a state board of trustees. It passed in the state house but was stymied in the senate due to the actions of the IDC (independant democratic coalition similar to Congressional 'Problem solver' caucus). Those so called Dems got voted out in the 2018 mid terms and there is really no reason it shouldn't pass but we'll see. Then there's the Cuomo guy in the governors mansion. He's a problem.
I like this topic, made mainstream by Sanders, in particular because it exposes the lie that the markets are the best way to distribute resources in the most efficient way. This subject is visceral to most Americans and shows what a con the Neoliberal consensus has been.
I very much hope we will see 'Medicare for All' gain momentum for 2020. One wonders if Trump will hop on board as he did with the rest of Sanders populist message in 2016.


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#309696 - 12/04/18 04:12 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Sherrod Brown just got re-elected to the Senate. He can run for President and still serve in the Senate if not elected. I doubt it will hurt, and may buttress, his standing in Ohio. A Kasich-Brown contest would be fascinating. I like them both, but Kasich has too many Republican ideas.

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#309706 - 12/04/18 11:51 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
One wonders if Trump will hop on board as he did with the rest of Sanders populist message in 2016.


Which parts of Sanders' populist message did Trump hop on board with?
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