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#309367 - 11/13/18 09:28 AM Our Embarrasment of a White House
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I've been so incoherently POed at Trump and his embarrassing misbehavior over the week and, especially, this weekend. And it has been reflected by his minions and wannabes - I'm talking about you Rick Scott. This year's veteran's day marks the 100th Anniversary of the armistice that ended "The Great War." A momentous and sacred remembrance. Of course he f*ed it up. This following his Wednesday press conference where he displayed his rampant racism, sexism, and overall boorishness. He has no respect for the office, the country, or anyone. He tried to set a record for outlandish lies, and Sarah Sanders tried to outdo him. What any absolute crock.

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#309436 - 11/18/18 06:49 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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And now he's even bashing Navy SEALS.

Trump to Chris Wallace:
"It would have been nice if we'd gotten Osama bin Laden a lot sooner."
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#309471 - 11/19/18 11:50 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Shared from the original on a popular forum, worth reading:

"Trump continues to push the false news that no one has done more for the US military in recent times than Donald Trump. Many veterans I know shake their heads in disbelief. After the political deployment of troops at the US border, after the monumental (no pun intended) presidential f*ck up in Paris and the following f*ck up for not making a visit to Arlington National Cemetery because of rain again Trump's flack team decided that a quick visit to the Marine barracks 20 minutes from the White House would make it all better.

Nothing like a surprise ass covering visit from a public official to improve morale among the troops. Yeah, use them again for a photo op to cover rolling f*ck ups the President caused only a week before.

And now we hear that the reason President Bone Spurs has never visited troops deployed in a combat zone is not because he is scared sh!tless, not because it might be raining but because he doesn't support the missions where the troops are deployed!

Here's what President Bone Spurs doesn't know. It is very likely that a majority of troops deployed don't support the mission either. But those people show up. They do it when they hate it. They do it when they are scared. They do it when they are dog tired. They do it when they don't feel well. They do it when it is raining. They do and then they rotate home and they do it again when redeployed.

They do it out of duty and honor, self-respect and out of respect for each other. None of those things - none - are understood or exhibited by their Commander-in-chief."

Side note: The author is a former member of CHB. smile
See if you can guess who it is.
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#309472 - 11/20/18 12:06 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Side note: The author is a former member of CHB. smile
See if you can guess who it is.

Noomie?
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#309474 - 11/20/18 12:50 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Side note: The author is a former member of CHB. smile
See if you can guess who it is.

Noomie?


Hardly! ROTFMOL
When would Numan be penning a missive that is supportive of our military?
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#309475 - 11/20/18 01:22 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Side note: The author is a former member of CHB. smile
See if you can guess who it is.

Noomie?


Hardly! ROTFMOL
When would Numan be penning a missive that is supportive of our military?

Well, I had hoped for an interesting reaction... :ohsnap:
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#310163 - 01/03/19 07:57 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: logtroll]
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There is a pattern developing with Trump's cabinet (and aides) that reminds me of the wives of Henry VIII: instead of "Divorced, beheaded, died", it's, "indicted, fired, resigned".

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#310265 - 01/09/19 02:49 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#310268 - 01/09/19 05:33 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
There is a pattern developing with Trump's cabinet (and aides) that reminds me of the wives of Henry VIII: instead of "Divorced, beheaded, died", it's, "indicted, fired, resigned".


In any case, there's 408 of 'em, that has to be some kinda record.

Trump Gov Tracking
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#310269 - 01/09/19 05:35 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here's something...they rolled over and gave HIM airtime without hesitation but they refused Obama.

Liberal media my rosy red ass.
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#310270 - 01/09/19 01:20 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump is giving his base a tangible goal and fighting for it. It's stupid and dumb but he seems to have at least a fundemental understanding of politics. Can Democrats say the same?

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#310275 - 01/09/19 06:06 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Two items which portend authoritarian takeover of governments ...
1. Mr Trump believes the threshold for declaration of national emergency is if Congress does not comply with his wishes
2. Mr Trump has the absolute right to declare a national emergency

This is the most insidious disease for democracy to occupy the WH since ratification of the Constitution.
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#310282 - 01/10/19 07:24 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Trump is giving his base a tangible goal and fighting for it. It's stupid and dumb but he seems to have at least a fundemental understanding of politics. Can Democrats say the same?
I'm sorry, my friend, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump's motivation. He wasn't trying to give his base a tangible goal, he was cowering before Ann Coulter and Hannity. He has no goal or anything he fights for, except what is expedient in the moment. He got backed into this idiotic shutdown and doesn't have a clue how to get out of it. His support is dwindling, and he doesn't understand what to do, so he goes to what he knows: bluster and bullshit. Besides, no one is talking about Mueller this week... It's all about him again, just the way he likes it. What he doesn't understand is that the shutdown may actually result in his ouster. Those Republican Senators peeling off from him are the same ones that might just impeach him, when the fan gets messy.
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#310284 - 01/10/19 03:10 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's all about him

Fundamentals of narcissism must be understood to properly analyze anything Mr Trump does. One must view everything he does through the lens of his delusional world, in which he is the greatest (he knows more than anyone alive). However, don't be confused and overthink his actions.

His actions while dictated by his view of himself are not exclusive nor inclusive of any singular political ideal. Examples would be appointing ultra conservative people to courts, rescinding regulations which impact fundamentalist Christians, signing conservative agenda bills, etc. On the other hand he endorses political ideals which run counter to conservative orthodoxy, like trade.

KISS ... if one tries to comprehend his actions as a reflection of a cohesive cogent agenda, one ends up scratching their heads in confusion. However, viewed through the lens of his own self interest, the smoke clears up and reveals what lies at the heart of his agenda, actions dictated by his delusional world.

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Those Republican Senators peeling off from him are the same ones that might just impeach him

And here is where I will disagree.

While it is true these Senators will be the ones, who, if impeachment ever makes it to the floor of the Senate, would be the jurors, I think we are talking about two disparate concepts. There may be enough Republican Senators to support a rational ending to the shutdown, and in fact may be enough to overcome a veto (it would actually do no good if there were not enough Republicans to do that). however, I do not believe that translates into votes for impeachment conviction. All I think it means is there is a difference in politics, not necessarily in support of agendas.
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#310313 - 01/11/19 07:00 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump is committing yet another fraud: The White House is soliciting (via email) donations to "Secure the Border Wall Fund" but the donating info leads directly into the Trump campaign’s joint fundraising committee with the Republican National Committee. It does not fund the wall at all! Every email they sent constitutes another count of wire fraud.

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#312854 - 07/12/19 03:32 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Another one bites the dust! Trump Labor Secretary Alex Acosta resigns amid pressure from Jeffrey Epstein sex traffic case (CNBC)
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Acosta made the announcement to reporters while standing next to President Donald Trump outside the White House. Trump said Acosta had called him Friday morning and that it was Acosta's decision to quit.

"This was him, not me, because I'm with him," Trump said in a lengthy exchange with the press before departing the White House en route to events in Wisconsin and Ohio. "I said, 'You don't have to do this.'"
Good riddance to bad rubbish! Time for a new "acting" cabinet Secretary.

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#312855 - 07/12/19 07:15 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Trump is giving his base a tangible goal and fighting for it.


Name some of them.
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#312921 - 07/16/19 08:09 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Seth Meyers had the best reaction to Trump's attack on the Congresswomen of color:

"If you are telling them to go fix the crime-infested governments of their own countries: They are trying!"

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#312924 - 07/16/19 08:55 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Racial hierarchy for one.
Owning the Libs for another.

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#312926 - 07/17/19 12:25 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Racial hierarchy for one.
Owning the Libs for another.


He better hope to have a lot more than that.
Even the strongest drugs eventually cause a buildup where they no longer deliver the thrill they used to for the addicts.
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#312927 - 07/17/19 05:09 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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"Owning the Libs" is an interesting concept. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's like a fighter taunting his opponent...then getting knocked out cold.

Can a political party thrive and prosper by making new enemies every day? Pissing people off seems to be the primary goal of every action this president takes.

The world is watching in horror as this administration sinks to new lows every day with no bottom in sight.

Bill's gonna come due for this sh*t along and along. These antics aren't going to get him re-elected. They might boost his TV ratings though and that's all he's really concerned about because that's where the weekly profit is.

Does he even want to get re-elected?
How much is he enjoying doing this?

Is he just planning on maximizing his profits from the upcoming election and heading back to his beloved penthouse in New York?
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#312935 - 07/18/19 05:46 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Or Rikers Island, if New York state prosecutors have any say in the matter. If Trump is smart, he will make an official state visit to Argentina on January 19th. Actually, he'll have a couple of months to plan his get away. Maybe get his buddy Jeff pardoned and on Air Force One and zoom off into exile like Roman Polanski, leaving all his fans holding the bag.

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#312936 - 07/18/19 05:18 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Everyone loyal will receive "Get Out of Jail" card. Mr Trump will never serve a day in jail or prison, no matter what the crimes. My speculations and conclusions.

My greatest fear .... maybe he is the Son of God.
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#312940 - 07/18/19 06:51 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: rporter314]
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And maybe he is the antichrist...

I think he's just a rich assh*le. But we agree that criminal prosecution is not likely a viable way out of this.
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#312941 - 07/18/19 07:14 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Greger]
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Nobody else thinks Trump wants out? Does he really wanna shoot four more seasons of this show? He aint gettin' no pussy y'know...

Think about it.

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#312942 - 07/18/19 07:30 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Greger]
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For a true narcissist no canvas is complete. He wants to be hailed as savior of the universe.
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#312943 - 07/18/19 11:25 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: rporter314]
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He wants to be hailed as savior of the universe.
Didn't the preachermen lay their hands on him and pronounce him so already?
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#312944 - 07/19/19 06:12 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
"Owning the Libs" is an interesting concept. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.



For his admiring masses, Trump's presidency has been the largest Milgram Experiment ever conducted in the wild.
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#312991 - 07/24/19 07:32 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Funny thing: Trump and his lies have led a large number of people to do stupid illegal things, like send pipe bombs to Democrats and CNN. Trump supporters claim that reality versus Trump's fantasy are just equally valid ways of looking at the world. IE. "very fine people on both sides" in Charlottesville.

But when those supporters wind up in court, objective reality wins every time. Like the Charlottesville alt-right killer who got life in prison, or the Florida pipe bomber pleading guilty to 65 felonies and claiming Trump and Hannity inspired him, facing 40 years.

I think this is indicative of the future for the Trump fantasies. They will all come crashing down, often with very bad outcomes for his followers. A long con can go on for quite a while, but eventually it falls apart.

Trump thinks he's got a Supreme Court that will bail him out. But instead the conservative majority is going to have little sympathy for lawyers who come and lie to them, or present made-up legal theories that ignore precedent.

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#312994 - 07/24/19 03:18 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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the conservative majority is going to have little sympathy for lawyers who come and lie to them, or present made-up legal theories that ignore precedent.

Just because CJ Roberts did that recently doesn't make it a trend. They had no such qualms with the Gerrymandering issue...

Nine out of ten times they'll take the partisan path. Because they are partisans, appointed by partisans, confirmed by partisans.

I would expect the very same of a liberal majority.
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#312998 - 07/24/19 08:09 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship. Certainly trusting Putin over our intelligence agencies, attacking the FBI even though it is part of your own Justice Department, and such is beyond the usual Democratic vrs Republican partisanship. Very few judges, appointed by one party or the other, are likely to go along with outright criminal stuff. That's my point here. When Trump takes his nonsense to court, even before Trump appointees, Federalist judges are not "mob owned" judges. They are more conservative than Republican. When they can deliver a conservative decision, they will. However lots of Trump's aims in court are not conservative at all.

As for the gerrymandering decision, the conservatives on the SC left it up to the states. All anybody needs to do is get a Democratic majority on their state supreme court, and bring a "gerrymandering is unconstitutional under the state constitution" case before them. No state nominates supreme court justices by gerrymandered district office holders, so gerrymandering should not affect them. You just need a Democratic majority to elect the right justices or a Democratic majority to elect the right Governor, depending on the state. The demographics of state majorities will make gerrymandering obsolete over the next few years. The only states where that won't happen soon have such a Republican majority that gerrymandering is unnecessary anyway.

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#313008 - 07/25/19 10:12 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship.


Fandom meets partisanship. This is reality teevee, Trump and Hannity are writing it on the fly. Duck Dynasty on the World Stage.

Honeyboo is running the show...

And the fans are eating it up.
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#313009 - 07/25/19 10:32 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: Greger]
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Oh..and I have no idea what Trump's aims in court are or if he's in court or has any aims.
You keep promising some sort of retribution from the courts and I keep not seeing it.
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#313011 - 07/26/19 02:38 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Court is to Trump like sunshine is to a vampire. If he ever made a personal appearance in court he would perjure himself in the first 10 minutes. That's why he has lawyers pay everyone off, so he doesn't have to go to court and testify. But in criminal cases, you have no choice. Sure, you can take the 5th, and his lawyers would insist on that. But get Trump on the witness stand and his narcissism would kick in with a long crazy justification for every charge.

Personally, I'd like to see him charged for walking in on the naked teens in his pageant. That has to be some sort of sex offense, like walking into a high school girl's gym to watch them shower. Some states have removed their statute of limitations on sex crimes. He has admitted this in public and there are lots of witnesses. He justified it because he owned the pageant.

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#313013 - 07/26/19 04:47 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship..


Trump supporters are mentally ill individuals on the margin of society. They're underachieving bellyachers whose only happiness in life will be to win a slip and fall case against Walmart.

Hmm
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#313020 - 07/26/19 07:11 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is something in the Trump fans that is beyond partisanship..


Trump supporters are mentally ill individuals on the margin of society. They're underachieving bellyachers whose only happiness in life will be to win a slip and fall case against Walmart.

Hmm

Truer words were never spoken, Rick.
While once I might have been inclined to reply that some of them might actually be very good people, it's just not so anymore. They've all gathered under that racist roof, they've revealed themselves and they are beyond redemption.

It's like a silent Zombie Apocalypse! Their brains get eaten up by ethernet code that comes through their computer screens. Without these tinfoil hats we wear we could have ended up just like them... tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat tinfoilhat
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#313023 - 07/26/19 07:56 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Personally, I'd like to see him charged

I would too but rude behavior is seldom against the law.

If there were glaring tax issues the IRS would have already charged him. The government has his tax records, they've had them all along.

Mueller went through his sh*t with a fine tooth comb. Raided his attorneys office, waterboarded an old general or two...nuthin'...nada...zip.

Everybody and his brother has been looking where they shouldn't be looking for something that could end this madness.

It's probably a billion dollar industry at this point.

Zilch.
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#313025 - 07/26/19 10:13 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Nobody has looked at his loan applications and his tax filings at the same time. You can estimate the values of your assets at the high end for loan applications, and you can estimate the values of your assets at the low end for tax filings. Do both in the same year for the same assets, and you have committed bank fraud and tax fraud. Trumps standard MO for years has been to keep everything compartmentalized, so one authority does not know what he told the other. That could end soon. His fixer testified under oath that he did this. Cohen may have been one of the few people that were aware of both.

And yes: People do go to jail for these crimes, particularly the bank fraud. There are people at Deutsche Bank who would testify they thought he was committing bank fraud.

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#313026 - 07/26/19 10:44 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Miss Teen USA pageant where Trump purposefully walked into the girl's dressing room, to see naked girls as young as 14, took place in Texas in 1997.

Interesting Texas statutes:

Sec. 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD. (a) A person commits an offense if, with a child younger than 17 years of age, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex and regardless of whether the person knows the age of the child at the time of the offense, the person:

(2) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person:

(B) causes the child to expose the child's anus or any part of the child's genitals.


Sec. 21.17. VOYEURISM. (a) A person commits an offense if the person, with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of the actor, observes another person without the other person's consent while the other person is in a dwelling or structure in which the other person has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c) or (d), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that the actor has previously been convicted two or more times of an offense under this section.

(d) An offense under this section is a state jail felony if the victim was a child younger than 14 years of age at the time of the offense.

(e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.

From Texas Laws https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.21.htm

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#313027 - 07/26/19 11:51 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Grasping. At. Straws.
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#313028 - 07/27/19 04:41 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Sure, nothings going to happen, because the longest Texas statute of limitations for this stuff is 20 years. But it could be added to the impeachment charges, just to throw in a zinger for the Evangelicals who feel a bit strongly about dirty old men ogling their daughters naked goodies.

And it does say something about the Rule of Law: If there is no consequence then why doesn't everybody just do it?

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#313035 - 07/28/19 12:24 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Sure, nothings going to happen


That's what I been sayin all along.
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#313037 - 07/28/19 12:44 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I actually think Trump may have decided getting impeached and pardoned is the best way to get off, way back when he first said: "Oh oh, I'm f*cked." When he heard about the FBI looking into him. It would explain some of his crazier acts. He seems to be doing stuff just to piss people off at him, that is completely off the rails.

Of course, a President Pence pardon does not help get him off any state charges from New York. I would add Florida but I doubt they would ever charge him with anything.

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#313039 - 07/28/19 05:12 AM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I noticed this photo on Huffpost's main page. A crane is lifting a border wall segment into place. Below the steel slates, we see rebar, presumably to go into a trench where they pour concrete. I wonder how far those footings go down? It looks like way less than most border tunnels in the San Diego area. Is this wall going to leak like a sieve?

Are smugglers already using the construction noise to provide cover for their tunneling sounds?

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#313042 - 07/28/19 01:49 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#313050 - 07/28/19 10:24 PM Re: Our Embarrasment of a White House [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I actually think Trump may have decided getting impeached and pardoned is the best way to get off

He's gonna be disappointed then because it aint happening.

He honestly thinks he's going to win again. All republicans think they're gonna win again. Because they've so OWNED THE LIBS! Libs are reeling...fighting among themselves while the righteous rightwing moves ever gloriously rightward.

Ya'member I promised you a trainwreck? It's not easy to divine the nature of an impending disaster but it's beginning to take shape in the screeing glass. The upcoming election is going to be devastating to a party that has thrown in with a two bit con man.

A bloodbath I'm tellin' ya!
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