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#309464 - 11/19/18 10:00 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Raking the forests


Yet that will be the perfect job for ol Donny when he finally and mercifully vacates the office he has so sullied. That should keep him busy for a while since he would have all the forests from California way up to Washington then over to Montana and Idaho to keep “clean"....

He will be in good shape though.
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#309465 - 11/19/18 10:10 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Jeff,
If Sanders is simply new deal democrat and all that that implies, what then would the current democrats in charge be? Just curious. I would like to get to the nub of that one.

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#309466 - 11/19/18 11:08 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think Jeffrey is trying once again to hide the S word from the moderates. New Deal Democrats were Social Democrats. Socialism and even communism were pretty popular notions back then.
Capitalists had, after all, just caused a worldwide depression that led to WW2. Luckily the cold war came along and their propaganda machine was able to turn it all around and make it the fault of (you guessed it) Democrats, who are always communist sympathizers.
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#309470 - 11/19/18 11:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I think Jeffrey is trying once again to hide the S word from the moderates. New Deal Democrats were Social Democrats. Socialism and even communism were pretty popular notions back then.
Capitalists had, after all, just caused a worldwide depression that led to WW2. Luckily the cold war came along and their propaganda machine was able to turn it all around and make it the fault of (you guessed it) Democrats, who are always communist sympathizers.


Yes yes, hiding the dreaded and radioactive "S word" from the moderates, you nailed it.
And rightly so. Why not confuse the moderates and confound the RWNJ's?
I think it's an excellent tactic. Do you not understand the value that Frank Luntz and Lee Atwater brought to the Right over these last few decades?
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#309473 - 11/20/18 12:07 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I am eagerly supporting the New Green Deal Democrats!
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#309478 - 11/20/18 08:02 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez seems to be emerging as their future leader. Or at least she's taking the heat from the right for the rest of them. She's young, she's smart, and I think she's having a good time.
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#309480 - 11/20/18 08:20 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez seems to be emerging as their future leader. Or at least she's taking the heat from the right for the rest of them. She's young, she's smart, and I think she's having a good time.


She's not all that smart, not just yet.
She's rolled out a few whoppers that revealed her lack of education on some core matters. I think she is indeed smart enough to get caught up but it better be quick.

But then again, in the last 10 years or so I have yet to find a single Trump or Tea Party Republican who knows anything about economics. Whether it's communism, capitalism, socialism, it doesn't matter because they NEVER get it right.
Instead they spew nonsense and namecall.
But they don't have the first clue about the true meaning of any economic system. They have alternative facts and weapons grade revisionism.

Ocasio-Cortez's lack of education can be fixed.
I'm doubtful one can correct demagogue true believers on today's Right.
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#309484 - 11/20/18 09:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Bernie/Ocasio 2020!....

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#309489 - 11/21/18 03:02 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hey, I like her, great kid, great future, but not exactly VP material. She's 29 and inexperienced. Let's let her get her feet wet before we push her into the deep end.

And Bernie...I have the same doubts now about his executive abilities as I've always had and he's getting closer and closer to his expiration date.

She is too young, he is to old...Beto is just right!

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#309492 - 11/21/18 03:37 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Still have to be 35 to be President. Goes for VP, too. O'Rourke got 4 million votes, in Texas. Ocasio-Cortez got 100,000 in New York.

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