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#309431 - 11/18/18 04:18 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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This is America Gregor. They got a system to keep progressive liberals out of the party. It's called a primary system.
A few decent ones will get thru but if you've been paying attention with this elections primaries, it's the party apparatus that most often decides. That apparatus will most often decide with wealth and property.
I have mentioned before that there is at least a financing mechanism now to raise money for progressive candidates and that's important going forward if there's any hope of getting candidates elected outside the corporate boardrooms. The other need is to broaden the idea of what's possible. Voting for what the corporate party offers you is not going to do that.





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#309437 - 11/18/18 06:52 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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It's official: The Blue Wave was actually The Blue Tsunami. All six districts that make up Orange County, California have gone to Democrats. Some of the races were squeakers but they have all been counted now. Orange County is the seat of modern conservatism, the home of Nixon's Western White House and Reagan's home base.

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The Democratic sweep may have been foreshadowed by the retirements of longtime Republican stalwarts like Issa and Royce last year, but it took local GOP officials by surprise. Earlier this year, Orange County Republican Party Chair Fred Whitaker laughed off the notion of a blue wave in his backyard.

“They think we’re the new battleground ... It’s a Hail Mary play. It’s desperation,” Whitaker said in an interview in March.

“Let the Democrats spend tens of millions of dollars here,” he added. “Let them die on the hill in Orange County.”


SURPRISE!

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#309439 - 11/18/18 07:18 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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#309446 - 11/19/18 04:29 PM Re: Election Day [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
The other need is to broaden the idea of what's possible.
My friend, if ever there was a moment to take one's own advice, this is it.

I am THRILLED at the diversity of people that won House Districts all over the country. That victory may be a portent of a great change, or merely a reaction to what happened in 2016, only time will tell. Your notion, however, that there is only one brand of progressive and that the Democratic party is just a bunch of corporatist shills is both incredibly naive and rhetorically insulting. A symphony that only has one note is just plain boring, even for John Cage.

What remains important about this election, though, is that many different kinds of Democrats won in many different Districts. That may allow the party to forge some very important coalitions to get progressive notions into legislation. It will be necessary to marshal that diversity behind some specific policies and direct those voices into a chorus. The notion that this could be done without experience of how to do it or how things work in the House is beyond naive. I'm all for new blood, but it needs to be seasoned and molded. Put away the suspicions of your own side and realize we're in this together.

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#309449 - 11/19/18 05:50 PM Re: Election Day [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Orange County is the seat of modern conservatism, the home of Nixon's Western White House and Reagan's home base.

could it mean the modern democrat Party is really conservative wink
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#309450 - 11/19/18 06:02 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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Rubbish NWP.

There has been a good deal of reporting on he DNC and it's history of interrupting primary races, preferring the wealthy and connected. It also invited criticism of itself after it's fiasco in the 2016 election.
I've also experienced first hand the meddling of the DNC in primary race here in upstate NY. Redirect you critique to the party apparatus for a change NWP or at least have the honesty to say you support the party apparatus activities. Attacking me for being critical doesn't really clarify your position. I have defined mine in this way:

You can't have progressive reforms if the ideas are marginal and effect only a small number of people. You can't have real economic redress if you are too financially dependant on centers of capitalism and the corporate state. MY argument is that the democratic party apparatus has been too allied with finance and the corporate state. A simple review of election campaign history backs this up.

What you got?








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#309451 - 11/19/18 07:06 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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Support bold proposals that have broad popular support to draw distinctions between you and your opponent...........

NOPE!

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#309452 - 11/19/18 07:31 PM Re: Election Day [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Support bold proposals that have broad popular support to draw distinctions between you and your opponent...........

NOPE!



That was last year, specifically August of last year, which if you'll remember, was a moment of chagrin when Republicans left Washington for summer break after they could not muster sufficient votes to finally usher in TrumpCare, and could only barely break the mandate.

They were expecting to ride the wave of Trump's popularity into a full repudiation of the ACA and much more, and they failed.

Pelosi was "opting to preserve the Affordable Care Act" because she thought that there would still be some semblance of the Affordable Care Act to preserve.
She made the "hypocritical claim" earlier this year in which she said, “The comfort level with a broader base of the American people is not there yet. It doesn’t mean it couldn’t be", mostly because she still believed that there was a chance to preserve and save the ACA.

It is now fifteen months later and even the preexisting conditions rule is endangered. I daresay that Pelosi is not only aware of the increasing "comfort level", she is also aware of the new mood in the House.

Pulling up an article from what is, in political terms, "eons ago" isn't impressive.
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#309453 - 11/19/18 07:37 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger


We need a system that works for everyone...not just a few.
I think Bernie mighta said that a few times. But I've never heard him speak out against property rights.


Which is why I've always said that he's really just a good New Deal liberal Democrat, and not a "socialist" and that he clings to that label because (A) he made his bones as a young man under that label and (B) he's partly a sentimental old fool.

I still love him but it's well past time he just doffed that old "socialist" tag and declared himself for what he really is, another FDR.
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#309454 - 11/19/18 07:56 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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Hmmmm.....


That's a strange one Jeff. 15 months is too long ago to reference a position of the Democratic leaderships troubling positions but a political consensus of 75 yrs. ago is fine to critique the 'old fool' Sanders political affiliation. Interesting...

I stand by the article as it supports my position of the D party. Sorry if you are temporally offended.

Lets see how they will vote today then. Place bets now?


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