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#309482 - 11/20/18 08:58 PM Our political elders
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For the last few weeks I have been in Rome and have been able to give some thought to some stuff. This is about the ages of them that would govern the nation as well as those who support our beloved leader the donkey (who used to be the jackass - changed to donkey as furreners just didn't understand jackass).

I would suggest you take a look at "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives" and "https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_senators_by_age.html"

My concern is based on the fact that the VA were kind enough to get me a day long memory test given by a neurologist specializing in brain function. When I went back for the results the doctor asked me if I thought I had failed and I thought that I had. He then told me that I was in the upper 1% of those in my age group (I am 83). This has been bugging me ever since. If I am in the upper 1% then the majority of those over 75 should not be governing, pure and simple. I know my own problems and those worse off are REALLY in trouble! When the memory goes then there are other traits reasonably to be considered on the chopping block, you know, stuff like, making decisions, judgement, and comprehension. I am not, for instance, against Pelosi (79 years old) but, on the other hand, its REALLY time for her to step down and bring in somebody else whilst she is able to train and pass on stuff. This holds true for all of them over 75 years old! (on either side). I think the age limit for professional pilots is 65 so having an age limit of 75 for them that govern is not unreasonable.

We all like to think that we are still functional but facts are facts and, if we are not completely bamboozling ourselves, and we are over 75 we KNOW there are problems!

Here are a couple of sites listing Trump supporter groupings:
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/groups-voted-2016/
https://verdict.justia.com/2018/02/16/trumps-base-broadly-speaking

Basically 52% of his supporters are over 65. From what I see on tv they are older even than that.

It used to be that the elderly of the United States all voted but they were also not ignorant. Now, however, they are obviously not using the same standards they used to. Apparently things have changed, or I am missing something. The elderly base their retirement on 1 simple fact, they WILL have Medicare. This is no longer the fact due to the so called Tax Cut of 2018. They are now cutting Medicare by 10 BILLION annually and that is already making a dent in medicare and its going to happen 9 more times thereby cutting medicare by 100 billion dollars, ie. destroying medicare. So, either the elderly are basing their votes on ignorance and delusion, or they are willing to sacrifice their very lives for their dear leader the donkey (I believe the first).

So, we have a growing elderly population of voters determined, for whatever reason, to die before they should due to their inability to act in their own best interest when it comes to voting. In addition to that many of those who govern us are simply not competent to do the job. I remember watching Orrin Hatch on TV. The poor man was not capable to speech, didn't know who he was or where he was at and his staff were telling him what to say, it was embarrassing. Not soon after he actually stated he was retiring. Reagan, we are told, in his second term, was simply not home and his staff, and wife, were doing the job. I REALLY think its time that there should be some rules about this kind of stuff. Those who would govern should be able to prove that they are at the top of their game, not barely capable. I have no idea how this could be done but I do know it makes sense. It certainly should not be left up to a voting public which is going to, within the next 2 years, experience yet another Republican economic downturn (a bad one I think) led by a president that is 72 years old and behaves, even considered in the best light, somewhat peculiarly. If some of this behavior is due to age problems then the entire administration may be run by an eastern European model and children who are recognized as being more than a little self serving, ie. HOLD ON TIGHT! (it may be a rough ride).

I should also add that I don't think that the American Voting public even has the capacity to act in their own best interest, especially those who have elderly status.

Just saying...................

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#309485 - 11/20/18 09:34 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
Ujest Shurly Offline
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Have only read the first few paragraphs, on one point I may have to disagree. The point is Pelosi having to step down. I totally agree with the age and memory loss and such, but we may need Pelosi for the one skill that can not be learned except through years of experience. She has not only her time but the lessons from her father. We need an experienced, dirty, political, knife fighter. If only till next election.

Many of the freshmen Representatives want to impeach Trump, but without a super majority control of the Senate it will never happen. So why waste the House's time. Yes conduct the investigation, generate the reports. This way if something were to change, the ground work is already done. Her job for the next two years should be to hound, restrict and yes do what the republicans did, and impede (put a check on his power) the President.

It is a shame we did not gain 3 Senate seats, now we will have 30, 40 or 50 years of a Judiciary that leans hard right.


Edited by Ujest Shurly (11/20/18 09:35 PM)
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#309494 - 11/21/18 04:52 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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It used to be that with age came wisdom. It has been clear for some time that, at least as regards the elected class, this is not the case. It was striking to see the panel that was conducting the hearings for Kavanaugh. I think the average age of the Republicans was 70 something, the Democrats, 50 something. I suppose they do represent their electorate...

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#309503 - 11/22/18 03:22 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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There is a LOT of variation with normal function of the elderly. My old neighbor at 91 was sharp as a tack and doing home maintenance stuff like oiling his attic fans on his roof. On the other hand, my mom is 90 and can't manage more than watching TV and riding her power chair down for dinner.

We need a test for cognitive performance, for all sorts of jobs. Early-onset Alzheimer's can hit you at 50.

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#309517 - 11/22/18 11:00 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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I find it pretty easy to seem to be on top of it - its usually simply not true. There are always the exceptions, but.........

Alzheimer is also interesting. I am told it is possible, right now, to know if you are a candidate or not (if you are over 75). They are also making strides in trying to stop it. I am not equally sure about reversing it. I also suspect that there are tests for cognitive performance and the problem, I suspect, is giving and grading said tests. I am basing that on my own, daylong, test that the VA gave me. The guy giving it was a brain surgeon specializing in brain function. My supposition is that if there was a way for anybody to give such a test they wouldn't be wasting the time of such a person?

I can remember when my dad, now gone, had 'Alzheimer'. This was arrived at by his wife. I sent both he and his wife to Seattle to get a full workup and it turned out that he didn't - what he really had was severe memory loss. There IS a difference between the two and that is important. That was several years ago and I think there was only one doctor in town even competent to diagnose this stuff (hence the trip to Seattle). I suspect it may be easier now but I really don't know.

The Pelosi thing continues to somewhat entertain. She, for instance, oversaw the greatest loss to the dems in the history of the party and that was just for congress. During that same time the Republicans were able to garner something like 80% of all the state houses. All under the same group of "wise old seniors" that we have now. Just saying..........


Edited by jgw (11/22/18 11:13 PM)

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#309519 - 11/23/18 05:26 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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If you think you might have it, I would start smoking a little weed. Two different medical researchers found that THC was vastly superior over any drug for clearing amyloid plaques out of brain cells. It worked with a very low dose, so I don't think you even need to get high. They both published their results in peer-reviewed medical journals. More research is under way now.

People with Alzheimer's always have neurons filled with these plaques when the pathologist does an autopsy. This may not be the cause of Alzheimer's but it certainly is a symptom. Getting rid of plaques seems like a great idea to me. The human brain has a cannabinoid metabolic path for some reason, and Alzheimer's might simply be the result of a low THC-like substance production. Just like we make endorphins and opiates fit into endorphin receptors, we must make some biochemical that has receptors THC can fit.

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#309524 - 11/24/18 12:56 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that jgw has never and will never consume cannabis. But he might consider using CBD if his doctor suggested it.
He is of a certain age. Most his age have never touched the stuff or even been around it. I'll soon be 66, drugs were rampant when I was kid, We had weed and acid and ups and downs and Boone's Farm Apple Wine. Long hair bell bottoms and general craziness. Not that there wasn't a lot of craziness when he was a teen, it was just mostly alcohol and nicotine fueled.
Bill Clinton was the first president to be a pothead. George W. Bush almost certainly smoked it at some point and probably snorted some coke too...His dad didn't. I'd bet Donald Trump has never smoked weed, he's about 75?
There's this weird cutoff point. People from about 75 and up just never were introduced to it.
PIA, you and I are about the same age, have you noticed this?

I've got a choice of four varieties sitting in front of me, a nice buzz going on and a lot of our "political elders" have never smelled the foul weed burning, never sampled the devil's lettuce.
We might be smoking the same weed, PIA, mine is all packaged and labeled for the California medical market. This is surely the Golden Age of Marijuana.
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#309525 - 11/24/18 02:14 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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Yep, I've noticed. The whole reason weed is going legal right now, is that we 60's pot-heads are all grown up and have political power now. People who were teens and young adults just a few years earlier, never tried it. At the same time, people keep finding that a lot of elderly medical conditions are much improved with weed. You can buy CBD at the health food store now! My physical therapy location is giving it out to everybody!

But I don't know that CBD does anything for Alzheimer's. The two researchers used test kit THC standards for there research so it was very pure. But the interesting thing is that they used such a low concentration of THC, that I think you would not have to take enough to even feel it. Some natural CBD contains a small amount of THC, which might be enough. If it turns out a little THC cures Alzheimer's, a lot of people are going to change there minds about it (or die).

BTW, I have Blue Dream now but California lets anybody grow a few plants so I have never bought any weed from a dispensary. I have friends with Green Thumbs who just give it away. Wanna move now?

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#309526 - 11/24/18 03:57 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Larry OG, Gorilla Glue #4, Cherry Pie, and Green Crack.

Only costs me $40 a month. I'm partial to vaping but I'd sure smoke it if somebody gave me some.
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#309527 - 11/24/18 05:57 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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Wifey has some buds that go by the label "Granddaddy" which to me is quite humorous given the direction this thread is taking.
She has a pretty high tolerance and even she admits it's powerful stuff.
Me? I tried to vape one tiny hit last night and woke up still buzzing.

Perhaps Gramps needs to try some "Granddaddy"?
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#309528 - 11/24/18 06:57 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
What is Granddaddy Purple?
Introduced in 2003 by Ken Estes, Granddaddy Purple (or GDP) is a famous indica cross between Purple Urkle and Big Bud. This California staple inherits a complex grape and berry aroma from its Purple Urkle parent, while Big Bud passes on its oversized, compact bud structure. GDP flowers bloom in shades of deep purple, a contrastive backdrop for its snow-like dusting of white crystal resin.

Its potent effects are clearly detectable in both mind and body, delivering a fusion of cerebral euphoria and physical relaxation. While your thoughts may float in a dreamy buzz, your body is more likely to find itself fixed in one spot for the duration of GDP’s effects. Like most heavy indica varieties, Granddaddy Purple is typically pulled off the shelf for consumers looking to combat pain, stress, insomnia, appetite loss, and muscle spasms.
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#309529 - 11/24/18 07:22 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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I have been smoking that stuff for well over 50 years! (can now say that as its legal in Washington). Amongst other things doing that before going to bed tends to cut my trips to the bathroom by over half (only 1 or 2 at most).

I am also NOT a candidate for Alzheimers I do, however, have memory problems. But there are some workarounds that tend to work. The best is keeping a voice recorder near and everytime I have a thought to research I record it. It only takes a couple of words and that gets the thought. I think the reason for that is that my mind takes longer to store stuff. In any case that is not going away real quick so the choice is to live with it or leave, I have no plans to leave real soon <G>


Edited by jgw (11/24/18 08:04 PM)

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#309533 - 11/24/18 08:16 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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And I'm glad to see my speculations were wrong...;)
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#309534 - 11/24/18 08:19 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
What is Granddaddy Purple?
Introduced in 2003 by Ken Estes, Granddaddy Purple (or GDP) is a famous indica cross between Purple Urkle and Big Bud. This California staple inherits a complex grape and berry aroma from its Purple Urkle parent, while Big Bud passes on its oversized, compact bud structure. GDP flowers bloom in shades of deep purple, a contrastive backdrop for its snow-like dusting of white crystal resin.

Its potent effects are clearly detectable in both mind and body, delivering a fusion of cerebral euphoria and physical relaxation. While your thoughts may float in a dreamy buzz, your body is more likely to find itself fixed in one spot for the duration of GDP’s effects. Like most heavy indica varieties, Granddaddy Purple is typically pulled off the shelf for consumers looking to combat pain, stress, insomnia, appetite loss, and muscle spasms.


Worked as advertised, most definitely. I slept like a baby...a big ole snoring happy baby, apparently.

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#309535 - 11/24/18 08:20 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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I'm just 67 and when I have an idea I have to go immediately to the computer and look it up or write it down, or I will forget it. Just comes with the territory, so to speak. Getting old is better than the alternative, for now.

A couple of tokes before bed puts me right to sleep and prevents leg cramps. I don't smoke enough to feel it in the morning.

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#309580 - 11/28/18 06:41 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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Yep, its a real help for sleep.

Talking about strains and what they do is an amusement. Here are a couple of sites that sell seeds. There are now, literally, hundreds of strains and more coming every day. I used to buy seeds. But they still contact me now and then. The best way to decide is to get the thc and cbd percentages of the given strain. In theory cbd is healthy and thc warps the mind (well, kinda?). The percentages, these days, of thc is kinda insane.

Seed prices, incidentally, are starting to fall a bit.

https://www.originalseedsstore.com/?utm_...kB5YWhvby5jb20=

http://therootsseeds.com/index.php/seeds.html

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/landing?..._content=launch

https://amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com/

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#309586 - 11/29/18 02:02 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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Apparently, once you find a strain you like, it is very easy to take cuttings and clone it forever. You just keep a "mother plant" inside under 18 hours per day lights, in a small pot, with a meager diet of nutrients. Growers keep these mothers for years, and replace them anytime they like with a new clone.

So it may just be for amusement to keep buying new strain seeds. Strains like Northern Lights have been around for decades and have very high THC levels if you grow them right. Or you can grow low THC, high CBD strains if that's what you need.

One advantage of cloning is if you start with a female, all descendants will be female.

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#309588 - 11/29/18 03:49 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I vape cannabis oil, I find the dose is easier to control and I never burn myself with a lighter anymore.
I'm mixing cherry pie and green crack tonight. That's my favorite buzz.
A hybrid strain and a sativa strain. I kind of avoid pure indica strains.
If I could only have one strain I think it might be cherry pie. It's a blend of Durban poison which is a sativa favorite and grandaddy purps which laid Jefferey low.
Florida medical is just getting underway now after a few glitches and court battles, but the black market is still considerably cheaper.

I smoke this sh*t because I like to get high. Any other benefits it might have are purely coincidental.
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#309593 - 11/29/18 07:12 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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It's funny that weed is starting to be seen by some young people as an old folks' drug. Keeps Gramps happy in his assisted living place. I seem to recall lots of getting high back in the 60's and 70's and having a great time with some female partners in smoke.

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#309611 - 11/30/18 06:15 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
I vape cannabis oil, I find the dose is easier to control and I never burn myself with a lighter anymore.
I'm mixing cherry pie and green crack tonight. That's my favorite buzz.
A hybrid strain and a sativa strain. I kind of avoid pure indica strains.
If I could only have one strain I think it might be cherry pie. It's a blend of Durban poison which is a sativa favorite and grandaddy purps which laid Jefferey low.
Florida medical is just getting underway now after a few glitches and court battles, but the black market is still considerably cheaper.

I smoke this sh*t because I like to get high. Any other benefits it might have are purely coincidental.


My poor old lungs cannot handle much in the way of pot smoke, so like you, I also prefer to use a magical vape pen. Karen bought a Snoop Dogg version which is apparently very sophisticated.
As you might imagine, anything Snoop Dogg approves of is going to do the job wonderfully.

But it's not oil, you just stuff a small bud or manicured bits of bud into the chamber, pop the top on it, let it heat up and take a nice long pull off it once the meter hits the right temperature.

Boy howdy, you get a helluva good result with almost no smoke whatsoever! I only need one good pull off of it and I am good for the entire evening!

It's about twice the length of an AA battery and about 1.5 inches in diameter. Weighs about eight ounces, USB rechargeable battery.
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#309667 - 12/02/18 09:01 PM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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I thought I had posted this but, I guess not.

If you have a good source of weed I would suggest you get yourself a Magical Butter machine. This machine will infuse just about anything into anything. I use mine to infuse coconut oil which I then use to make stuff like brownies. I buy a brownie mix at safeway for a buck or two, replace the oil with my infused oil and I get a supply that lasts a very long time. I should add that you can barely even taste the weed (which I abhor).

https://magicalbutter.com/ (they have sales regularly) and offer a bunch of stuff and recipes.

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#309668 - 12/03/18 01:58 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Well-I know not of what you speak-- confused-- but someday I might have to give it a try. Someone told me it was now legal in my neck..

So I might need to investigate that..
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#309670 - 12/03/18 02:52 AM Re: Our political elders [Re: jgw]
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I used to make the cannibutter in the crock pot then make chocolate chip cookies with it. Cannibutter tastes like burnt s***. Them cookies always made my mouth dry, my eyes red, and made me sleepy, but didn't really give me a buzz.
Good times.
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