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#308110 - 08/25/18 01:14 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: Greger]
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#308113 - 08/25/18 01:52 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Apparently, because the Jackass claimed to have paid the money himself, and did not take it from the Campaign he committed not 1 crime but two. This is based on the money being spent to save the campaign so, it was a campaign crime and also a crime of bribery. I heard several law dogs explaining that.
Here is a step-by-step primer on how to make the worst series of decisions possible - it relates to covering up hush money payments to porn stars:


Step 1: Deny that it happened.

Step 2: Sue the porn star for revealing it, based on a nondisclosure agreement that you weren't a part of. Be sure to use the NDA that you aren't in as evidence of innocence.

Step 3: Say that you didn't know anything about it and your lawyer did it as a favor (both the NDA and the payment), because you were such good friends.

Step 4: When that doesn't fly, say that even if you had done it, but you didn't, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it.

Step 5: Hire Rudy Giuliani to be your spokesman.

Step 6: When your lawyer flips on you because you pretended that you barely knew him and he's incompetent, say he has no credibility because he's obviously a big fat liar.

Step 7: Continue to let Rudy Giuliani be your spokesman.

Step 8: Continue to deny knowing anything about it, but declare that you paid for it, not your campaign, even though having your campaign pay for it would have been strictly legal though not ethical, while paying for it personally and not reporting it is not legal.

Step 9: Continue to claim that you paid for it personally even after your Trump Organization CFO flips on you and confirms that not only did the business pay for it (exceeding donation limits), and you didn't report it (violating contribution disclosure laws), and you claimed it as a business expense (tax fraud), and you personally directed it (a crapload of lying), and it was for the purpose of influencing an election (must be a law about that).

Step 10: Continue to let Rudy Giuliani represent you.
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#308116 - 08/25/18 04:32 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As far as I can tell Cohen has decided he is going down and Jackass gets to keep him company.

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#308117 - 08/25/18 04:54 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
As far as I can tell Cohen has decided he is going down and Jackass gets to keep him company.


But, oddly, thus far Mueller has shown no interest in making a deal with Cohen. He already has Cohen's files and anything else Cohen has is not documented.
I'm still hoping for further developments closer to the election.
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#308122 - 08/26/18 01:29 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If Cohen gets years of probation and a suspended sentence, that is his reward for cooperation.

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#308134 - 08/26/18 02:06 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Here's my take on Cohen: This is just step one. Cohen knows stuff about Trump, but he's not as valuable an asset as Weiselberg. Pecker has stuff on Trump (and lots of others), but he has First Amendment complications. Cohen is, at best, second string. But, his sentencing isn't until December - after the election. Manafort's second trial hasn't happened yet, either. There is plenty of time to deal if necessary. He just might not be necessary.

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#308135 - 08/26/18 02:14 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I'm waiting for a decision from a federal judge that Trump has to return all the Ill-gotten gains he has reaped from monetizing the presidency. He's all about one thing - making money off of others. Take that away. That's what will really hurt.

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#308137 - 08/26/18 07:15 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
jgw Offline
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I listened to the guy who wrote a new book called:
House of Trump, House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia

It sounded like he, pretty much, reports the goods on Trump.

here is a review:
https://www.vnews.com/Signs-of-Trump-Putin-collaboration-starting-years-before-the-campaign-19625757

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#308139 - 08/27/18 04:34 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The problem I see with books such as the one you cited is, they could very easily be considered partisan hit pieces without much more than insinuations and allegations. Consider Schweizer's hit piece on the Clinton's. The only "evidence" he had was a "pattern of criminal activity".

So the question, is "House of ..." just another hit piece or does it have real evidence????
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#308140 - 08/27/18 04:38 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

So the question, is "House of ..." just another hit piece or does it have real evidence????
The answer, I think, will come from Robert Mueller.

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