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#309566 - 11/27/18 02:10 AM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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They are actually a more complex coalition. There are lot of fearful folks who are driven by Fox News and Trump, Bigots, Chamber of Commerce small business owners, Rich folks (including Big Business owners), Evangelicals, and Libertarians. Some of these factions have diametrically opposed ideas, but they find common ground because they dislike something the Democrats like.

For example, consider the Evangelical versus Libertarian positions on abortion or anything relating to sex or gender.

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#309567 - 11/27/18 12:42 PM Re: Election Day [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Under Pelosi’s leadership, Democrats blocked President George W. Bush’s efforts to privatize Social Security; she was a key reason the Affordable Care Act, passed; she guided major financial reforms through the chamber; and she helped make the 2009 stimulus bill a reality, which staved off some of the worst effects of the Great Recession.

No wonder ReTHUGliCONs are trying to block her. smile
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#309568 - 11/27/18 03:58 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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Stay frosty Rick...
You can't trust her anymore than a rat in a bath tub. She's a centrist corporate democrat. Not saying she can't be moved to the left with enough pressure but is she really going to produce any progressive legislation taking all that Corporate Mo?
Another thought going froward for y'all:

'Traditionally considered a blue state, no Democrat since 1960 has secured the presidency without first winning its primary. But following a decisive loss to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 contest, Hillary Clinton became the first presidential candidate of either party since Richard Nixon in 1972 to skip the state altogether (not visiting until November of 2017 to promote a book about her loss). At least on a national level, liberal pundits seemed to take it for granted. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow put it a few months before the 2016 presidential election: “The Republican Party really, really, really wants Wisconsin to be a swing state — not true…I mean, even Michael Dukakis won Wisconsin, right?” Such thinking would ultimately cost the Democrats Michigan as well.'

The knife fight ahead

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#309569 - 11/27/18 06:37 PM Re: Election Day [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

It's the Despair Quotient!
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Stay frosty Rick...
You can't trust her anymore than a rat in a bath tub. She's a centrist corporate democrat. Not saying she can't be moved to the left with enough pressure but is she really going to produce any progressive legislation taking all that Corporate Mo?
Another thought going froward for y'all:

'Traditionally considered a blue state, no Democrat since 1960 has secured the presidency without first winning its primary. But following a decisive loss to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 contest, Hillary Clinton became the first presidential candidate of either party since Richard Nixon in 1972 to skip the state altogether (not visiting until November of 2017 to promote a book about her loss). At least on a national level, liberal pundits seemed to take it for granted. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow put it a few months before the 2016 presidential election: “The Republican Party really, really, really wants Wisconsin to be a swing state — not true…I mean, even Michael Dukakis won Wisconsin, right?” Such thinking would ultimately cost the Democrats Michigan as well.'

The knife fight ahead



As someone who has cornered MANY mice and rats in bathtubs (only to watch my cats turn out to be totally useless as rodent control!) I assure you a rat in a bathtub CAN be trusted - - to go absolutely nowhere while running around at a feverish pace.
Thankfully we no longer live in Jonesboro Arkansas so our rat cornering episodes have long since ceased.
And if you feed your cats too much, they will not catch mice!
Ours have always been spoiled rotten.

Nancy Pelosi indeed should retire, however since it has been eight years since we had the House, maybe let's transition into solving problems this year and keep an eye on finding and grooming a replacement for the 117th Congress. Ms. Pelosi might even be inspired to cooperate.
Rumor has it there are people whispering in her ear to that effect.

My only concerns are that we went off half-cocked and that the primary group responsible for trying to unseat her were actually further to the Right. That's not a good recipe.
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#309570 - 11/27/18 07:57 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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Wether the challenge to Pelosi's anointing was real or a simple head fake, the result is that she seems to have solidified the party behind her. So it would seem she has inversely benefited. Triangulate? Dunno, sure feels like a familiar play from democrats.

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#309573 - 11/28/18 05:54 AM Re: Election Day [Re: chunkstyle]
NW Ponderer Offline
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I recognize, my friend, that you don't know much about Nancy Pelosi, and neither do most of her detractors. She has probably been the most effective advocate for progressive causes since LBJ. I'm not being hyperbolic here. Nancy Pelosi (Wikipedia). It amazes me, sometimes, how thoroughly propaganda permeates discussions about her, rather than facts or history.

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#309576 - 11/28/18 05:52 PM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
chunkstyle Offline
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She's a mixed bag at best NWP. It's obviously to me that the baseline for 'progressive causes' has moved significantly. That may be the cause of your generalization of her detractors.
On the other hand, viewed from a politician like Pelosi it's been settled. 'Democrats are capitalist'. Any mechanism for finding redress or promoting the general welfare will be coming from Market World, Ideas Division?
It's fair to question her history: Pelosi beyond WIKI




Edited by chunkstyle (11/28/18 05:53 PM)

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#309584 - 11/29/18 01:20 AM Re: Election Day [Re: chunkstyle]
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Here’s How New House Members Can Show Their Clout (Bloomberg Opinion). Subcommittees. I think it is a great idea, and will give them the opportunity to learn the ropes, earn their spurs, and have things to take home to constituents.

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#309634 - 12/01/18 02:00 AM Re: Election Day [Re: NW Ponderer]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Here’s How New House Members Can Show Their Clout (Bloomberg Opinion). Subcommittees. I think it is a great idea, and will give them the opportunity to learn the ropes, earn their spurs, and have things to take home to constituents.


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#309709 - 12/05/18 03:25 AM Re: Election Day [Re: Greger]
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After 40 years of decline it looks like progressives aren't interested in incrementalism any longer. One can only hope that Pelosi read the wind correctly and save the party from its corporate wing.

House ways and means chairmanship battle ahead


Edited by chunkstyle (12/05/18 03:26 AM)

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