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#309623 - 11/30/18 04:54 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yeah, I have to admit, I really knew that, Mr. P. I have also opined, on numerous occasions, that Trump is mentally deficient. He is most certainly morally deficient. His is a particularly pronounced sociopathy. But, he is well aware when what he does is illegal, and does not want to "get caught" (that would be a weakness).

The Trump organization is a crime family, just not a very good one (none of them are actually "smart"). They think they are clever, but only because they compare themselves to less clever people. Having existed only in a very small world of privilege, they don't recognize normal behavior. That is the thing about narcissism - it doesn't allow for self-reflection.

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#309624 - 11/30/18 06:04 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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His is a particularly pronounced sociopathy. But, he is well aware when what he does is illegal

I do not possess the psychological expertise to opine on the relationship between NPD and sociopathy, nevertheless, it should be clear to all he exhibits the tendencies of sociopathy.

I suspect his awareness of illegality is a little murky. He may be aware of legalities but I suspect he believes the law does not apply to him. It can probably be argued either way but I would rather conclude he believes he is above the law, which would be consistent with his NPD. If one believes that, one may realize you or I may think it is illegal but for the person it may not have an ethical or legal meaning.

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They think they are clever, but only because they compare themselves to less clever people.

LOL. I have actually seen this several times and each time it was amusing. Of course it was amusing because those people did not impact an entire country and peoples lives.

Dumb and dumber make it to the WH ... it is a movie already seen in theaters nationwide
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#309625 - 11/30/18 07:38 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

I suspect his awareness of illegality is a little murky. He may be aware of legalities but
I suspect he believes the law does not apply to him. It can probably be argued either way but I would rather conclude he believes he is above the law, which would be consistent with his NPD.


This ^^^ ...this right here. (above)

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#309632 - 11/30/18 08:36 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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When you see your self as "the good guy", everything you do is for the good. It must be legal! You are wearing the white hat, after all. When you subvert the law, then it's the law that's wrong. I've heard this theme from Trump time after time.

Of course I'm old enough to remember: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." That ends with a helicopter ride into exile.

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#309928 - 12/18/18 04:45 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Trump Foundation agrees to dissolve under court supervision (CNN). "Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill.
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"Our petition detailed a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation -- including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more. This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump's business and political interests," Underwood said in a statement Tuesday.

"This is an important victory for the rule of law, making clear that there is one set of rules for everyone," Underwood said. "We'll continue to move our suit forward to ensure that the Trump Foundation and its directors are held to account for their clear and repeated violations of state and federal law."

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#309929 - 12/18/18 04:51 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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must be the deep deep state persecuting the Trump family, the greatest family who ever lived.
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#309930 - 12/18/18 05:14 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: rporter314]
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Michael Flynn sentencing(CNN). Flynn is in trouble. Judge is pissed. He's likely for jail. Flynn needs to ask for continuance of sentencing.

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#309931 - 12/18/18 05:58 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Michael Flynn's attorney has asked Judge Emmet Sullivan to delay the sentencing.

"We are prepared to take your honor up on his suggestion of delaying sentencing, so he can (sic) out the last modicum of cooperation" in Virginia, the attorney said.
Prosecutors said they had no problems delaying the sentencing.

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#309933 - 12/18/18 07:39 PM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Obviously, every single transaction the Trump Foundation has ever made needs to be scrutinized by the IRS and the prosecutor's forensic accountants. As Trump's fake charity, probably almost everything they did was tax fraud, charitable foundation fraud, or just generic fraud fraud. Nothing it did was charitable. It was all self-serving.

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#309955 - 12/21/18 02:36 AM Re: Historic Corruption [Re: pondering_it_all]
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"Sooo, Vlad, what would you like me to do?"

"It would be nice if you moved your troops back in Syria, and let us just do what we want, there. "

"How about I just take them all out?"

"That would be great, Don."

"How about Afghanistan?"

"Well, we didn't have much fun there, either, but it's really sanctions that bother me. "

"Yeah, I don't much like scrutiny of my finances, either. How's Oleg doing?"

"He's sad. You know how moody he can be."

"I'll get him a Christmas present. Maybe then he'll help me get that tower finished."

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