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#309582 - 11/28/18 07:49 PM
Re: Justice is coming
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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While one may entertain the speculation SP Mueller is so devious he would waylay unsuspecting interviewees, I suspect the reality is SP Mueller simply allowed Corsi, Manafort, et al a blank canvas to paint their story. If they lied, it was by their own hand, unprompted by SP Mueller. Now one may suppose the "trap" was to allow these slugs a choice in telling the narrative their way. Corsi has lied so much, he has forgotten which lie he is telling. Lock him up
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#309583 - 11/28/18 09:45 PM
Re: Justice is coming
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 11/24/06
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It’s too bad that Mueller's hands are tied regarding Trumps finances. It's my understanding that his directive is only to determine if Trump et al worked with the Russians during his presidential campaign. And nothing regarding his finances. Is this true? I am unclear on that.
What most Trump detractors really want to know is how deeply he is in bed with Russian and Saudi financiers. Amongst others. Is there any way that complete answers to those questions will ever see the light of day? Mueller may be constrained, but the US House of Reps is not. They can investigate whatever they want. There appear to be some shenanigans going on in regards to Saudi Arabia's crown prince ordering the assassination of a journalist and it seems to have some financial underpinnings connected to Trump and weapon sales... But no, Ken, none of it will ever see the light of day.
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#309587 - 11/29/18 03:00 AM
Re: Justice is coming
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Looking at Manafort and Trump on one side and Mueller on the other, one is reminded of the old adage of one side "playing chess" and the other "playing checkers." Although with today's developments, maybe it's more like chess and Candy Land. Dan Rather.
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#309595 - 11/29/18 06:00 PM
Re: Justice is coming
[Re: pondering_it_all]
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Carpal Tunnel
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First, the headline: Michael Cohen pleads guilty, says he lied about Trump's knowledge of Moscow project (CNN) Then the significance: The Cohen revelations are potentially significant because they appear to show that Trump was engaged in business dealings with Russia in the midst of a campaign in which Moscow interfered to help elect him.
It could also intersect with other information that Mueller knows to create political and legal jeopardy for the President. Also of significant note is that Cohen explicitly named Trump, the Trump organization, and Trump "family members" as participants in the scheme to deceive. I think the timing on this is not as has been asserted by others - because Trump is going to the G20 and planned to meet with Putin - but because the Manafort hearing (and Cohen's sentencing) is coming up, and he has gotten answers from Trump, so his case is mature enough to allow the shoes to start dropping. In addition, the charge was about lying to Congress, which is an unsubtle hint to Congress that they need to reopen the hearings.
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#309596 - 11/29/18 06:42 PM
Re: Justice is coming
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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[Congress] need[s] to reopen the hearings and what? I read and feel your indignation, however, I see no political or legal remedy for either real or perceived "crimes". It doesn't appear to be illegal for anyone running for office to be engaged in business activities. It is not a crime to lie to the press or ones supporters about those activities. In fact his supporters have told many reporters many times they do not care if he lies. Apparently his elected supporters in Congress agree. So I have to ask, how would your indignation be assuaged in a highly polarized political world?
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#309597 - 11/29/18 06:43 PM
Re: Justice is coming
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's the Despair Quotient!
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One thought: Has anyone else pondered the probability that Putin has a lot of goods on quite a few members of Congress? I believe it is inevitable that we will learn that Putin tapped into the communications of a large number of Congress critters, which just might explain their reluctance (errr - - outright refusal?) to move these investigations forward into a more focused criminal phase. Certain Trump defenders have been parading terms around like "coordinated perjury" or "perjury traps" when they should be pondering things like lying to a Special Prosecutor. I guess we'll see what crops up.
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