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#310206 - 01/05/19 11:38 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

Great find, rporter314!!! smile

Oh my, look at all of these dead Ruskies, some from the Steele Dossier and a Michael Cohen family relative. coffee
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#310207 - 01/05/19 11:39 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
...what would move his base to respond...

No wall. Seriously. Hmm
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#310213 - 01/05/19 05:14 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yes no wall does move his base but not in the way I intimated.

What would move his base to support impeachment proceedings? After listening to some Trump supporters yesterday, I would say they would follow him all the way to hell.

I predict, based on personal experiences and reading a lot of Trump supporter reporting, they will not abandon him, which implies, despite the facts which should defy anyone's imagination, very few Republicans would vote for conviction, and for several reasons.

Rep Tlaib, your interest in impeachment is a fruitless excercize in congressional oversight.
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#310216 - 01/05/19 06:22 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
You are right about Madoff. However, they also stripped him of whatever he had and he was an individual.

Madoff was destroyed because he dared to rip off the one percent. You don't ever rip off the one percent. Look at Cuba.
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#310217 - 01/05/19 06:23 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314

What would move his base to support impeachment proceedings? After listening to some Trump supporters yesterday, I would say they would follow him all the way to hell.


Crackheads (and I am a former one) will follow crack rocks all the way to Hell. Trumpism is a DRUG.
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#310220 - 01/05/19 07:11 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting discussion of the pattern of criminality and RICO prosecution, with regards to Trump:

Ruminations on RICO and Asset Forfeiture

Most interesting is that elements in the pattern can include settled civil cases and No Contest pleas that resulted in fines for the last 10 years! So many Trump Organization acts qualify it for RICO prosecution. Such prosecution only requires two such acts, but the Trump organization has committed thousands of frauds in the last 10 years. The Trump University findings alone contain over 5000 acts of fraud. Trump's phony charitable Foundation is a whole additional element: Every single solicited donation that was misused is another fraud.

So when a Democratic President has a real unfettered Justice Department, Trump is toast. And probably penniless.

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#310221 - 01/05/19 08:06 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Interesting discussion of the pattern of criminality and RICO prosecution, with regards to Trump:

Ruminations on RICO and Asset Forfeiture

Most interesting is that elements in the pattern can include settled civil cases and No Contest pleas that resulted in fines for the last 10 years! So many Trump Organization acts qualify it for RICO prosecution. Such prosecution only requires two such acts, but the Trump organization has committed thousands of frauds in the last 10 years. The Trump University findings alone contain over 5000 acts of fraud. Trump's phony charitable Foundation is a whole additional element: Every single solicited donation that was misused is another fraud.

So when a Democratic President has a real unfettered Justice Department, Trump is toast. And probably penniless.


Does anyone remember when I posted wistfully that asset forfeiture was something only visited upon "little people" and that if law enforcement is going to play that game they'd better be prepared to take down some large kingpins at the same time?

Oh God, I sure hope they do a little bit of forfeiting on Individual 1.
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#310222 - 01/05/19 08:17 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

So when a Democratic President has a real unfettered Justice Department, Trump is toast. And probably penniless.


It won't take a Democratic President, it only takes law enforcement with the will to pull the trigger. If there is "reasonable suspicion" that the individual or group has been engaged in enriching themselves through fraudulent and criminal activity, said assets may be preemptivlely seized "pending further criminal investigation".

Mueller could order Mar-A-Lago seized right now if he wanted to.
It is no different than a cop looking at a fat wad of cash in a motorist's wallet and confiscating the "guilty dirty money".
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#310223 - 01/05/19 10:00 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If the asset forfeiture rules were applied evenly to everybody, Trump would have been living in a cardboard box behind a supermarket years ago. Or still in prison.

I find it shocking that police have confiscated cash, cars, and houses from people who have not been convicted of any crime. Often just "Being Hispanic with a lot of cash in his pocket".

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#310225 - 01/05/19 11:21 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
If the asset forfeiture rules were applied evenly to everybody, Trump would have been living in a cardboard box behind a supermarket years ago. Or still in prison.

I find it shocking that police have confiscated cash, cars, and houses from people who have not been convicted of any crime. Often just "Being Hispanic with a lot of cash in his pocket".


But there seems to be a growing suggestion that, just this once, they might be applied to Trump. Not ready to take it to the bank yet but I'll just say that I decided not to toss out my S&H Green Stamp book.
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