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#309722 - 12/06/18 01:12 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I saw a photo of migrants seeking asylum in a line. They DID have numbers on their wrists, but they were in permanent marker. I guess that's a lot easier and quicker than tattoos.

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#309726 - 12/06/18 11:23 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Just thought I would mention that Islam considers the Old Testament as one of their holy books. It may be of passing interest that one can, literally, use the Old Testament to prove ANYTHING! Sharia law, for instance, is a product of the Old Testament, not the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible

I would also mention that there are any number of self proclaimed "Christian" groups that are more enamored of the Old Testament than the New. I have always found that also be kinda interesting.

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#309728 - 12/07/18 12:56 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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#309730 - 12/07/18 03:38 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If the IRS acted like ICE...
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#309757 - 12/08/18 07:12 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Pondering;
GREAT poster!

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#309773 - 12/09/18 06:23 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Yes, it is pretty cool because everything in it is true. I can't take credit though. Just copied it from the internet.

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#309868 - 12/14/18 09:00 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Seven-year-old girl who died at border did not receive medical care for 90 minutes (NBC). First known fatality. A victim of administrative neglect (after all, she's brown). Naturally, DHS blames the parents (DHS statement), rather than their inhumane (and illegal) policies...

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#309875 - 12/15/18 01:57 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The more I learn about this little girl's death the more pissed I get. This is manslaughter, pure and simple.

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#309881 - 12/15/18 05:03 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I should clarify my last post. This killing was administered by Customs and Border Patrol, not ICE - although both are administered by DHS. The question about Kirstjen Nielsen, is she more Heinrich Mueller or Heinrich Himmler? More clarification: This is the fault of the administration. Having worked with law enforcement personnel much of my career, the bulk of the individuals involved are not the cruel, heartless people that they appear to be from the results of their actions. There are, however, plenty that are. Even if that is only 5% of the force, it reflects poorly on their compatriots. This, however, is the result of poor leadership and immoral policies.

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#309893 - 12/15/18 11:24 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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The very bad policy at fault is not having a translator available for intake interviews when you take immigrants into voluntary custody. All they had was Spanish speakers, but this was a Mayan family that did not speak or understand Spanish. The girl was in custody for 8 hours before they sent her to the hospital. The family knew she was sick, but they couldn't tell the authorities.

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