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#307062 - 06/22/18 11:37 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
It pretty much boggles the imagination that Republican hatred for people of color runs so deep.
Yet they are adamantly not racists! Could it be a miracle...?
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#307077 - 06/23/18 11:26 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Perhaps the USA is not (completely) like Nazi Germany.

The public reaction against the barbaric, malevolent separating of children from their parents could not have occurred in Nazi Germany.

Clearly, many Americans have not yet been brainwashed into becoming dupes of the fascistic power structure of the USA.

However, the proportion of Americans supporting evil is still disturbingly high.
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#307079 - 06/24/18 12:56 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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It almost makes me think we really do need the church, to explain to these idiots what is right and what is wrong every Sunday.

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#307082 - 06/24/18 05:17 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Beto O'Rourke, the top challenger to Ted Cruz' seat, paid a visit to Tornillo today.

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#307084 - 06/24/18 07:09 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican


I may be a heartless conservative, but at least I use a little logic.
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Tim
You left out an adjective. "Very" - as in, "very little logic." You see, Tim, there are things like "Laws" and "standards" and "basic humanity" that are supposed to apply in these situations. ICE is out of control because this administration doesn't believe in the rule of law and is inherently racist. I can provide a lengthy critique of the numerous violations of national and international law that these policies represent, but I know that will avail nothing.

What you probably don't realize, though, is that DHS believes that YOU are within their jurisdiction. Yep, checkpoints in Boston. Better carry your papers everywhere. BTW, your driver's license doesn't count (although mine does, as it is "enhanced"). You could be detained for weeks while they "process" you, and even deported. Access to a lawyer? HAH! Not in ICE-land. You don't even have to be brown, although that is "reasonable suspicion" to the Border Patrol. Good luck!

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#307085 - 06/24/18 01:01 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It is an exceedingly sad state of affairs when a U.S. official - the top law enforcement official, no less - resorts to quoting the Bible to justify a policy (Remember the First Amendment, Mr. Sessions? Apparently not), then defends that policy by literally claiming it's "not as bad as the Nazis'." When Nazi Germany's extermination program is the "comparable" for a policy, you know we're in bad trouble.

Yes, but our concentration camps are not as bad as theirs because we don't do the killing! Instead we ship them to some "hell hole" to let vicious gangs do it for us. But at least our hands are clean! Multiple news agencies are legitimately comparing ICE and Border Patrol tactics to Gestapo practices - midnight raids of homes, round ups at businesses, bus searches, checkpoints in major cities - But, but, but "we're not as bad as that!" This is Amerika. These policies only affect brown people!

If you are not outraged at this point, and legitimately scared, you're not paying attention.

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#307086 - 06/24/18 05:01 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is an exceedingly sad state of affairs when a U.S. official - the top law enforcement official, no less - resorts to quoting the Bible to justify a policy

I bet there is something Jefferson Beauregard could quote from Sharia Law to bolster his ugly bias, too. Why just rely on Christian Law? Belt and suspenders, I always say...
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#307091 - 06/24/18 11:37 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Trump has now also decided that rule of law and due process need not apply either. The American people who worship Trump do so to the point where he absolutely can DO NO WRONG?
Yeah, that's a cult alright. They are Branch Davidians.

And I'm currently wondering exactly what it is that separates Donald Trump from David Koresh, besides money.
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#309698 - 12/04/18 04:54 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Born in the U.S.A, Florida man says ICE requested he be held for deportation to Jamaica (Mercury news). This is not that unusual an occurrence:
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Brown is hardly the only U.S. citizen to face the threat of deportation. A Syracuse University study published in 2013 used ICE records to determine that the agency had placed detainers on 834 U.S. citizens over just a four-year period.
That was years before Trump's syndicate took over the agency.
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NPR has reported that its analysis of data obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showed that in the decade between 2007 and July of last year, six hundred and ninety-three U.S. citizens were held in county jails under immigration detention orders. A separate request by the Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens found that another eight hundred and eighteen were held in immigration detention centers. That’s a rough average of a hundred and fifty mistaken detentions of Americans every year.
When ICE Tries to Deport Americans, Who Defends Them? (The New Yorker, subscription). ICE held an American man in custody for ...his citizenship (LA Times, subscription).
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Since 2012, ICE has released from its custody more than 1,480 people after investigating their citizenship claims, according to agency figures. And a Times review of Department of Justice records and interviews with immigration attorneys uncovered hundreds of additional cases in the country’s immigration courts in which people were forced to prove they are Americans and sometimes spent months or even years in detention.


America's new "black sites" are county jails and immigration detention centers. Black being the operative word.

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#309718 - 12/05/18 07:56 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years. Ever since they came to my neck of the woods. They have an office, on the outskirts of town, with razor wire enclosures, etc. They were stopping every bus and asking everybody for id, went into grade schools and interrogated 3rd graders, put up road block on every street in one little town. The problem is that they have yet to find any illegals. One of them stated, publicly, that he wanted to go back south where was actual work - he got fired.

One can go on and on about, them but the fact remains they ARE the new American Gestapo!

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