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#309817 - 12/11/18 07:19 PM Another Solution
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In Washington state we have the worst, and most dangerous, pit of nuclear waste in the entire world. Its called Hanford and its where we made our nukes for years. Gov has spent more than 3 billion fixing the problems. The problem is, right now, worse than it was when the cleanup started over 30 years ago. The waste is getting close to the water table and the columbia river. If either gets contaminated it will cause a world class mess.

Jackass, our beloved leader, has weighed in on this one. He has a solution to the problem and its really quite simple - re-categorize the waste as safe, call it fixed, and move on. I know, hard to believe, here is a site that explains it all. Thank goodness we have a leader that understand how to get things done!

https://katu.com/news/local/trump-plan-t...vironmentalists

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#309822 - 12/11/18 09:07 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: jgw]
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That's because every "Hanford solution" over the decades has underestimated the problem, and assumed you can fix it on the cheap. A real fix would excavate the soil down until there was no more radioactivity and train/truck it to the high desert out of the damned river watershed. But we have the same problem with all of our stored nuclear waste from power plants as well. We've been waiting 75 years for the technology to advance, so we can store it safely. The problem is it doesn't get any better over 75 years. That will take 100,000 years.

At least the power plant waste is mostly in stainless steel barrels. The solution in the early days of Hanford was big open air ponds! Probably the worst thing you can do with radioactive waste.

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#309824 - 12/11/18 10:20 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: pondering_it_all]
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#309866 - 12/14/18 06:27 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: jgw]
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I would suggest googling "hanford tank leaks" The tanks are, for the most part, leaking into the water table right now. Hanford is that place that has glow in the dark mice and rats and ants and a pile of really sick, radioactive, ex employees that our department of energy is refusing to give any kind of medical help to.

Washington state, incidentally, has sued the feds, and won, at least 2 times then, for some obscure reason, Washington state just goes quietly away.

Its also of possible interest that there are small nuclear reactor designs that can actually use the physically hot waste to drive said small nuclear reactors. I think we have a couple small nuclear reactors either already tested and approved or being tested. These things can be built in factories, trucked to location, buried int he ground and ready to supply electricity with absolute safety. I think China has already built their factory.

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#309870 - 12/15/18 12:07 AM Re: Another Solution [Re: jgw]
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with absolute safety

Oh, I'm sure some idiot would dig one up and kill a bunch of people just to proves that nuclear wastes is dangerous. Or whatever. In a world of sane, rational people this would be a fine idea. In the world we have, it would enable every extremist group who could operate a backhoe the ability to make their own dirty bomb.

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#309871 - 12/15/18 12:56 AM Re: Another Solution [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Clean nuclear energy is a lot like clean coal...no such thing.
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#309873 - 12/15/18 01:10 AM Re: Another Solution [Re: jgw]
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But it actually has a much better chance of getting a lot cleaner and safer. We could start cranking out Thorium reactors and that would go a long way toward better. Did you know that burning coal releases more radiation into the atmosphere than all the nuclear accidents ever.

Denver is supposed to be more dangerous in terms of background radiation than lower parts of the country. But the main problem there is Radon gas! It is like getting 10 X-rays per year. The nice thing is that it is completely avoidable. Don't have a basement and stay out of low places where it could accumulate. The Radon is there because there is so much Uranium in the ground.

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#309887 - 12/15/18 07:35 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Nope, in typical modern American fashion, we're going to wait till the Indians and Chinese start cranking out thorium reactors instead.

THEN we'll suddenly get the bright idea to try it, and all of our thorium reactors will be designed and built by, you guessed it, the Chinese.
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#309888 - 12/15/18 07:46 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: jgw]
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#309890 - 12/15/18 09:35 PM Re: Another Solution [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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