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#310020 - 12/26/18 11:32 AM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I see the official government report on the wall prototypes is out, though heavily redacted. (They don't want to give all the plans to the smugglers.) They had an army team try to breach 10 foot high sections and scale 30 foot high sections. Everything failed! The scaling test had the crew throw a section of 2x4 with rope attached over the wall. Smugglers are MUCH more sophisticated. They can fabricate special grappling hooks out of steel, bring ladders. Tunneling was tested with 10 foot deep footings, but most border tunnels are much deeper since the Border Patrol has listening devices in the soil at the border. The breach tests had to be stopped because they thought the wall sections might collapse and kill somebody.

I think the idea that you can build a barrier that can't be scaled, breached, or tunneled under is stupid. They have to have monitoring and a response by agents. That much is obvious and the Border Patrol admits it. So the real purpose of a barrier is to slow down any crossing attempt until the guys can get there. But the border is 2000 miles long, so they need troops stationed every mile or so for a quick response. And a successful breach could let in hundreds of crossers (or more), so each of the 2000 Border Patrol station has to have several men there.

Monitoring is the easy part: They have computer programs that can do that now, better than humans staring at monitors. So the real problem is the labor cost of all those Border Patrol agents. You'd need about 50,000 of them for full coverage, but most of them would just sit in the station and do nothing. Some of the stations would be pretty isolated, too, so good luck finding people to do that job. (Maybe we can hire some Mexicans!)

Anyway, I think we done't need a 30 foot high wall. We need a 30 foot WIDE area between chain link fences filled with razor wire. That would slow down any breach so the guys could get there. Bollards in the ground could prevent vehicles crashing the fences.

The East Germans had the same set of problems and their solution was lots of soldiers on top the wall with machine guns. Maybe we need to address the real problem instead: The vast majority come here to work, so bite the bullet, issue all legitimate residents ID cards, and throw people who employ people without the ID card in prison.

Republicans might not like that though, since citizen ID cards would prevent some of their voter suppression schemes.

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#310048 - 12/28/18 01:38 AM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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A friend of mine...

Pepperl Forge

My wife got me one of the iron bunnies for a Juul gift.
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#310063 - 12/29/18 01:45 AM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
A friend of mine...

Pepperl Forge

My wife got me one of the iron bunnies for a Juul gift.


I can't say I find the bunnies attractive, maybe even disturbing but all the other stuff is absolutely gorgeous. Sorry Loggy, my last name sorta means "rabbit" in German but that's one bunny rabbit I'd have to pass on haha.

I would love to have the door lock and key set in Image #8 (Arts and Crafts Entry Set) if it could be modified with a larger depress for Karen.
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#310065 - 12/29/18 05:18 AM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Ofc of Personnel Mgmt:Government workers...during shutdown

Quote:
The U.S. Office of Personnel Management has offered federal workers affected by the partial government shutdown a guide for negotiating with creditors, landlords and mortgage companies while their income is cut off.

The Thursday tweet notes that workers should consult with a "personal attorney" for advice but offers templates for how one might seek financial assistance for various financial obligations.

Among the suggested strategies: A furloughed employee might offer to trade maintenance services such as painting or carpentry work in exchange for a reduction in rent.


USOPM on Twitter

Hmmm, I wonder if a mortgage banker would agree to those terms.
"Let me do some maintenance on the house I bought from you, and you forego the mortgage payments for a couple of months."

By the way, why is OPM open during this shutdown? Is Jared in charge of it?
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#310079 - 12/29/18 08:35 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Overall, nine federal departments and dozens of smaller agencies have been shuttered. There are a couple of agencies, however, including the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Defense Department, that won't be impacted because they are funded through Sept. 30, 2019. But for many others, the impact is already being felt.
Government shutdown by the numbers (abc) Then there are these two nuggets: Trump moves to freeze pay for federal workers amid government shutdown (USA Today) vs. Trump personally intervened to pay Coast Guard in shutdown (Washington Examiner). Of course, the reality is that neither of those was a Trump "initiative". They are schemes created by his ideologue staff to further right wing wet dreams, who have convinced him that all federal workers are "democrats" - by which they mean, non-autocrats.

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#310098 - 12/30/18 08:09 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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all federal workers are "democrats"


Well, if they weren't before, maybe they are now!

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#310100 - 12/30/18 08:34 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It may well be true, too, because most federal workers are community- and service-oriented, which are not typical Republican traits.

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#310109 - 12/31/18 12:45 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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It doesn't seem that Fatass' "big, beautiful wall" is ever going to be built. It's been down-graded to a "metaphor."

LOL
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#310113 - 12/31/18 07:19 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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And as a last act of 2018, a Brooklyn woman whose husband survived the Holocaust awoke to giant swastikas scrawled on her door.
BROOKLYN!

When it is happening in Brooklyn, you know it's not a metaphor.
You know it's real.

RAW STORY

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#310114 - 12/31/18 08:20 PM Re: RoundTable for December 2018 [Re: pdx rick]
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It's been down-graded to a "metaphor".


30 feet of concrete, steel slats, transparent, whatever. Might as well add laser turrets every 100 feet and killer mole robots to prevent tunneling. If you are never going to get it, might as well make it as fancy as possible.

If you actually want to do something about it, throw some of their employers into prison. With no possibility of work, something like 99.9% of them would not come here. Or even better, prison for employers who did not verify workers in the federal temporary work-permitted database. That way we can still have our gardeners and maids, but with vetted and documented guest workers.

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