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#310155 - 01/03/19 01:23 AM Re: The National Debt [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Except for the fact that all spending bills have to start in the House, which does give the Democrats some leverage: They can just write all spending bills with some stuff they want in there and refuse to compromise when the Senate tries to remove it. If the Senate wants the government to function, they have to agree to some stuff.

They can hold out until August with 25% of the government shut down, but then the other 75% goes. Beyond that, they are in great peril of a Democratic Grand Slam in 2020.


I wish it were true but the fact is, Republicans pick up seats after every single shutdown from the time of Gingrich on.
That might be because Americans have the memory of a goldfish.
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#310160 - 01/03/19 04:05 AM Re: The National Debt [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
We are simply repeating the Republican Economic Mess thing. They leave an economic disaster EVERYTIME they leave office. I am convinced that's gonna happen again and, as far as I can tell, the downturn is well on its way. So, yet again, the Dems are going to be forced to save the economy of the nation. This time, however, they will, hopefully, say, everytime they are on TV - "This failed economy is a gift from the Republican Party - we (the Dems) get gifted with one of these everytime we take over from the Republicans - since BEFORE Herbert Hoover!"

A new law raising taxes, to just pay the bills and save Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, is needed right now. The problem, of course, is a Republican party, which has proven they have the incredible skill of stopping ANY Democratic legislation no matter what. Then, through time, the Republicans will convince the American Voting Public to believe that what the Democrats did created the problem of giving them a functioning, economically sane, government yet again. This time, hopefully, the Dems will continually trumpet the the failure of the Republicans to be fiscally responsible and have failed to actually govern. All Republican lies should be called immediately when they are claimed.


Not a big fan of this notion that Democrats are better for the 'economy'. For every article with a graph showing a correlation between presidents and economic 'expansion' there are other economic indicators that contradict.
It's a popular idea amongst Libs but, in more than a few instances, democratic presidents have carried water for long held republican goals.
Clinton's Deregulation of the banking industry was sold like many of his regressive new deal dismantlement proposals as being a positive force for the banking industry that we would all feel the positive benefits. It turned out to be massively destructive and led to the near collapse of the economy in 2008. So the effects of political decisions may not show up for decades.
Frankly there's copious amounts of good data that show the economy has been delivering less and less to more people with the benefits continuing to accrue to a smaller amount of people. The only difference between the two parties is the velocity of this rising inequality.
The republicans mug. Democrats pickpocket with distraction.


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#310161 - 01/03/19 04:45 AM Re: The National Debt [Re: jgw]
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It's almost as if one group of lawmakers has decided to act like depressed teenage girls who cut themselves, and the cutting feels satisfying...
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#310162 - 01/03/19 05:14 AM Re: The National Debt [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Today I watched some more Dem supporters, on TV, explain all the good things that they are going to "take care of". There is healthcare, there is infrastructure, there are schools, etc. all of which need money. My point is that there is NO MONEY! Its already being spent, right now, to fund the tax bill and the 1%. When the Dems come into office there is not, as far as I can tell, any money available for anything but paying the interest on the national debt.

In other words the Republicans, in their infinite wisdom, figured out how to spend any and all money available to pay for their gifts to the very wealthy. The only way the Dems can stop this is to roll back some of the Republican tax bill. To do that they will need the senate to roll back stuff they have already voted for initiated. I am not convinced that they have the votes to do that which means the Republicans cleverly spent all the money and, as far as I can tell, did it knowing that the Dems would take the house, and not the senate, in 2018 which also means they were ahead of the Dems from the getgo. This also means that they will fight any and all legislation from the Dems, regardless of whether its good or bad for the nation, as their singular interest is in 'beating' the Dems by stopping any, and every thing, the Dems try and legislate. This means, basically, that the Dems are in the same place they were with Obama as president, ie. no Democratic legislation will be allowed.

Just saying...............


(CNN)Leading progressives are threatening to reject a rules package backed by Democratic leadership over a requirement they believe could thwart their most ambitious policy plans.

New York Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and California Rep. Ro Khanna said Wednesday they will vote against any guidelines that include a provision known as "PAYGO," or "pay as you go," which requires that new spending be offset by matching cuts or increases in revenue.
Progressives who support programs like "Medicare-for-all" and other policies likely to increase government expenditures worry that the rule would create a self-imposed obstacle with limited political upside -- and come across as a sign that Democrats are committed to the austerity economics championed, at least rhetorically, by conservative groups.

And so for that reason I am in favor of AOC's idea, maybe she is in need of playing a little catch-up on some subjects, but where strategy is concerned, she may prove a lot more brilliant than previously believed.
And Lord knows, we are desperately in need of some strategy.

This is some much needed pushback. Let's hope that it takes.
Lord knows, if there was a need for war money, there wouldn't even be a hint of a discussion of "pay-go", would there.
Well, Republicans are committing acts of war.
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