Current Topics
It is time to consider impeachment
by NW Ponderer
31 minutes 21 seconds ago
RoundTable for January 2019
by NW Ponderer
Today at 04:22 PM
The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault
by NW Ponderer
Today at 04:03 PM
A Judge Blocked the Census From Asking About Citizenship. Here's Why It Matters
by NW Ponderer
Today at 03:57 PM
The Debate: Is America’s future capitalist or socialist?
by chunkstyle
Today at 11:34 AM
Collusion has now been shown. What now?
by pondering_it_all
Today at 12:12 AM
The Passing Parade: Obituaries: 2019
by Golem
Yesterday at 06:15 PM
Justice is coming
by pondering_it_all
Yesterday at 01:17 AM
The Green New Deal, explained
by jgw
01/15/19 08:15 PM
Gregory Benford Wins 2019 Robert A. Heinlein Award
by Golem
01/15/19 07:07 PM
Trump's Wall Shutdown IS his policy
by pondering_it_all
01/14/19 06:59 PM
Miscellaneous humor thread
by logtroll
01/13/19 03:56 PM
GoFundMe Wall campaign collapses: fraud campaign substituted
by pondering_it_all
01/12/19 07:20 PM
Is it too soon to be talking 2020?
by Greger
01/11/19 09:24 PM
Our Embarrasment of a White House
by pondering_it_all
01/11/19 07:00 PM
Why?
by jgw
01/11/19 06:20 PM
The perils of "short-termism"
by rporter314
01/10/19 03:20 PM
The wall, or fence, has been, or is being, or needs to be, built, and Mexico has
by Jeffery J. Haas
01/08/19 09:07 PM
What Left?
by chunkstyle
01/07/19 04:42 AM
HR-1
by chunkstyle
01/06/19 06:01 AM
Forum Stats
6248 Members
58 Forums
16462 Topics
283777 Posts

Max Online: 294 @ 12/06/17 12:57 AM
Google Adsense
Topic Options
#310204 - 01/05/19 03:48 AM HR-1
NW Ponderer Online   sad
Moderator
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 16448
Democrats’ First Bill in New Congress Would Actually Drain the Swamp (New York Magazine) No chance Republicans would sort this.
_________________________
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

Top
#310211 - 01/05/19 04:52 PM Re: HR-1 [Re: NW Ponderer]
chunkstyle Offline
member

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 1235
Maybe the grey matter of the Democratic Party isn't completely smooth after all.
This has amazeball public support and the party might have just stumbled backwards into an issue that has broad popular support and will create stark contrast with their political opponents.
But I remain pessimistic. This is the Democratic Party Y'all. Maybe they could have started with cleaning up the thuroughly corrupt party nominating process. Even the very modest reforms that Sanders got post 2016 reconciliation hearings between the dominant corporate and progressive wings of the party. Things like, I don't know, making sure the party apparatus isn't financially taken over by one candidate before the contest begins?
Otherwise, without any serious reforms within the party, this may be no more than a hog in heels.

Top
#310214 - 01/05/19 06:13 PM Re: HR-1 [Re: chunkstyle]
Greger Offline

Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/24/06
Posts: 14477
Loc: Florida
Quote:
this may be no more than a hog in heels.

With lipstick.

But...it's what they need to do. Send popular sh*t to the Senate so it looks bad when they refuse to even vote on it.

2020 is the gold ring.
_________________________
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken."— Oscar Wilde

Top
#310215 - 01/05/19 06:20 PM Re: HR-1 [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 13496
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

But I remain pessimistic. This is the Democratic Party Y'all.


Christ on a crutch, take "YES" for an answer fer chrissakes. They heard you and they're moving in the right direction.
_________________________
"The Left ones think I'm Right, the Right ones think I'm wrong."
Leon Russell - Magic Mirror"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-H1iQ5Y6Eg

Top
#310219 - 01/05/19 06:31 PM Re: HR-1 [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 13496
Loc: Whittier, California
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Maybe they could have started with cleaning up the thuroughly corrupt party nominating process.


The first thing we have to start with is actually winning some elections and establishing a workable majority, so that we actually have the legislative power to do some good.

You remain pessimistic even when there is good news like New Mexico going all blue (as per Logtroll's post) or...THIS:
_________________________
"The Left ones think I'm Right, the Right ones think I'm wrong."
Leon Russell - Magic Mirror"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-H1iQ5Y6Eg

Top
#310228 - 01/06/19 06:01 AM Re: HR-1 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
member

Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 1235
Brudda please.
This is the same party that sent its whip around the country to squash progressives out of the primaries. The same party that has instituted pay go, blunting any progressive momentum. The party that primaried Ellison for Perez at the last moment assuring centrist control of the national committee.

It would rather hold hearings on Russia, Russia, Russia than talk about poverty or eternal warfare, monopolies, wage theft, tax evasion of corporations, the war on organized labor, etc,etc...

But you think they've had a sea change? They went to the mountain and got religion?
I'm not the least bit confident.

Watch the head fake. They're good at it, these centrist.

Top

Who's Online
0 registered (), 38 Guests and 1 Spider online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
TrentonP, Nosf50, erumonej, Jensen Breck, Albertapkr
6248 Registered Users
A2