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#311928 - 04/16/19 04:49 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Trump's sister, the federal judge, just resigned to halt the investigation into her participation in the giant tax fraud scheme to transfer father Fred's money to his kids. I think all the ins and outs, shell corporations, etc. of that scheme are well known. They avoided millions of dollars worth of inheritance tax. There is no statute of limitations on intentional tax fraud.

The apples don't fall far from the tree. I think the only innocent Trump is Barron.

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#311932 - 04/16/19 06:51 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here it comes:

House Committees Subpoena Deutsche Bank Records On Trump Loans

This will probably give them a better picture of Trump's finances than his income tax filings. Also, here's a chance to see if what Cohen told them about money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud are true. I know Deutsche Bank has been in the news for paying some huge money laundering fines.

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#311937 - 04/16/19 05:52 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As far as I can tell we have been told that there are 20 different doj investigations going on throughout the entire country which have been spun off the Mueller report. There are some that have even said there are more than 20. My own take is that Mueller figured out what has been happening and made sure that eventually all would be known. This is in addition to the 20 the house is doing. I continue to believe Jackass will go down and the tip off will be when one or more of the children get indicted.

The New York state folks have already offered up the Tax Returns, which they have as part of the New York State tax data. On top of that there are the folks who prepared the Trump taxes who now have a decision. Do they want to be sued by the Congress of the United States or the Trump attorneys.

Things are, I suspect, moving right along and we will have it all - it just takes time, not unlike most of that which gov does. My only real concern is if the congress gets it all and then a not particularly bright member makes it all public, wrecks ongoing investigations, exposes methods and names, and exposes agents in the field, amongst other stuff.

We will, of course, know all in the fullness of time............

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#311944 - 04/17/19 01:26 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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My own take is that Mueller figured out what has been happening and made sure that eventually all would be known.
Yes! A cryptic message from beyond...
Secretly coded between the lines so that redaction would be useless...

Bull puckey. The Mueller investigation produced nothing. Mueller could have chosen to indict but did not. All the rest is just farts in a whirlwind. The stink will be gone before you know it and the whole thing forgotten in the run up to the 2020 election.

Fascism is coming if Trump is re-elected. Global warming is coming. A massive recession is coming. Summer is coming along with more hurricanes and wildfires and floods...

But Justice? No. Justice is not coming. Not now nor in the fullness of time.
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#311947 - 04/17/19 02:15 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Is it justice you want or revenge?
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#311948 - 04/17/19 06:40 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here is Mueller's mandate:
(©ffice of tqe g}cput- J\tiortte}:J ®eneral .l!lu.sl1ington, /.<!!. 20530ORDER NO. 3915-2017APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as follows: (a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States Department of Justice. (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

This, I think, means that Mueller was given a mandate to investigate Russian efforts to interfere in the election and if any Trump campaign folks had links, or coordination, to such interference.

Any crimes discovered, along the way would also be noted.

THAT'S IT!

My suspicion is that most of the report will be centered on Russians and Trump campaign folks, Mueller may have also investigated any obstruction.

What Mueller seems to have done is to find a LOT of crime that was not directly linked to Russia, etc. It would also seem that most of the crime stuff was handed off to other offices of the DOJ. We have also been told that there are at least 20 separate investigations going on from California to New York! In addition to that I believe Cohen seems to have been sent, by Mueller, to congress to point the way. We are also told that the House has 20 committees working on a variety of investigations into Trump, et.al.

There is an ongoing conviction that the Mueller report will be this or that and nobody is going to be happy with it. This may or may not be true. The simple fact that there are, apparently over 40 investigations, by government, into everything Trump, Russian, Campaign, etc.

Therefore, whilst all hopes for the Mueller report to have all the answers is just plain crazy! If that was the case then gov is doing 40 investigations for absolutely no reason! I do not believe that. I believe that Trump is a gangster and will, eventually be found out. When that happens the Republicans are going to be in a VERY tight spot (to the point, I suspect, that they will actually be willing to work with the Dems). I think Fox news, for instance, understands this and are actually, inviting Dems to appear and preach to other than the choir, for instance.

So, I am hopeful that justice IS coming but slowly. We must all remember that Gov is not exactly noted for moving quickly on just about anything. This being the case patience will be its own reward. Why anybody would think that Gov is going to move swiftly to punish evil, reward good, and solve the current mess, is going to be seriously disappointed. Unless gov is actually taken over, lock, stock and barrel by the bad, I suspect we will survive and things will, in the end work out.

Remember - there is a LOT of people investigating this stuff. As far as I am concerned we are just going to have to wait until all the facts are in and we aren't there yet. We will probably know more but no anywhere near what all these investigations are doing or what they are learning. We will, eventually................

Hopefully!

One last. Trump has yet to make a single 'deal'. He is claiming the overhaul of NAFTA but that was an Obama deal he claimed. The greatest deal maker of the entire world and not a SINGLE deal!!!

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#311949 - 04/17/19 07:59 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Is it justice you want or revenge?


I want this Trump thing over with. I don't bear him any ill will. I don't even want to see him prosecuted for random financial shenanigans like laundering money for Russian oligarchs. I just want him out of office.

If Donald Trump were guilty of crimes worthy of impeachment Mueller would have found them. He did not.

I didn't have high hopes for this investigation from the start.

Perhaps justice has arrived but we just don't agree with it...
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#311950 - 04/17/19 08:25 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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justice IS coming but slowly


I'ma sit right here with you and watch.

I look forward to the day when you can say "Look! You were wrong! Justice is served!" But I aint holdin' my breath.

2020 is our next best chance.
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#311951 - 04/17/19 09:06 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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2020 scares the hell out of me. Trump is, if nothing else, cagey. The real hope for beating him is to have the economy go bad. Historically this is how Dems win against the Republicans (for over 100 years!). If nothing else the trillion dollars a year added to the national debt is going to seriously impact the economy. Its also interesting that this is what their "tax cut" is, basically, adding to the national debt so the very rich can be richer. Their gamble that it would all be paid for, by the economy, was just baloney, pure and simple. By 2020 our national debt could actually be greater than our GDP. When that happens nobody is really quite sure what will happen but everybody is convinced its not gonna be good. For instance, when that happens the interest on our debt alone will suck up any money available for ANYTHING!

I find it all very strange. Obamacare, for instance, was starting to reduce the costs of healthcare - the Republicans made sure that wasn't going to happen. Obama did increase the debt bigtime - he had to save the American Banking system after it went hogwild under bush (who increased the deficit over 100% beating Obama's 76% increase due, basically, to the Iraq war which was started with yet another Republican lie). Trump, however, is increasing the debt by about a trillion dollars a year simply because he wanted to make the rich, richer. They say the debt is already slowing the economy and we have another year towards disaster before 2020. You will hear the Republicans start talking about getting rid of the 'entitlements', ie. medicare, medicaid, social security, etc (all services but military, basically). They will tell us that is the only way to bail out their mess (they will, of course, blame it all on Obama) is by getting rid of medicare, medicaid, social security, public schools, etc. So, if the Dems take over they will be inheriting yet another Republican economic mess. This time, however, they should say, everytime they are interviewed, that the mess is a Republican mess and they will fix it as they have fixed all the others brought on by Republicans who don't give a damn about anything but getting richer on the backs of others. The Republicans have been doing this for years, the only difference will be the Democrats will be speaking the truth whilst most of the Republican claims are lies.

Obama, for instance, never tooted his own horn and rarely ever mentioned who caused the worst economic disaster since the great depression. This apparent need to not speak ill of the opposition should just stop! Lay the blame where it belongs and never stop!

So, when the Dems start to run, they should point to the debt, what it means, who did it, who didn't give a damn, and why they can never be trusted again - over, and over, and over again. If they win big enough perhaps they can actually pass meaningful legislation. The trick, of course, is to actually sit down and work it out between and betwixt each other without constant carping and yelling at each other. Find common ground and get it done!

Just saying.............

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#311952 - 04/17/19 11:51 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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2020 scares the hell out of me.


I'm still optimistic about 2020 despite the Mueller Marshmallow.
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