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#310259 - 01/08/19 09:22 PM The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault
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Congress would do what it had done before to avert a shutdown and pass a short-term spending bill to keep the government open; the Senate easily passed such a bill without including money for the wall. But the House didn't take up that bill and instead moved on a bill that purported to fund a wall. The embarrassing part is the new Democratic House passed a non-wall spending bill last week, but McConnell has refused to do what he did last month and introduce a shutdown-ending bill. He called the Democrats' bill "political theater" and said just before its passage, “The Senate will not take up any proposal that does not have a real chance of passing this chamber and getting a presidential signature. Let’s not waste the time.”

This is a flagrantly dishonest bit of positioning, even by McConnell's low standards.
'The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault (Vice) It is also dictatorial. If Congress only does what the president wants them to do, what does that remind you of? Russia? North Korea? Any other tinpot dictatorship. McConnell has a already shown his true colors, mostly black, but this is pure authoritarianism at work.
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#310261 - 01/09/19 12:01 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Republicans have for years been lying about their base. Mr Trump exposed the lies and now all those Republicans who want to remain in power have to acquiesce to the BASE.

Sold their souls cheap.
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#310262 - 01/09/19 01:52 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: rporter314]
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THE CREATURE:

Shows up in a few minutes. Yet--can anyone--and I mean anyone-avert their eyes? Or their ears. This creature is an amazingly effective abomination. He holds our whole nation and the rest of the world at his beck and call.

Grasping on his every word, utterance, and facial expression.

Think about it!
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#310263 - 01/09/19 02:15 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Imagine the ultimate dream of a narcissist ... being the most powerful person in the world. yes all eyes, ears, and attention on him and only him.

the narcissism turned me off long ago
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#310277 - 01/09/19 09:33 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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McConnell knows he is losing, because his gross hypocrisy has been exposed too often. He cannot hold his caucus together much longer and Schumer's strategy is working. Who can legitimately argue that his foreign policy bill is more important than opening the government? Especially when Trump might not sign it?

I see McConnell caving before Trump and sending bills to the President. If he doesn't sign them, at last Congress has done its job.

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#310359 - 01/14/19 06:06 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
McConnell knows he is losing, because his gross hypocrisy has been exposed too often. He cannot hold his caucus together much longer and Schumer's strategy is working. Who can legitimately argue that his foreign policy bill is more important than opening the government? Especially when Trump might not sign it?

I see McConnell caving before Trump and sending bills to the President. If he doesn't sign them, at last Congress has done its job.


At this point I wouldn't care if the wall includes a free puppy for every man, woman and child in the country. Hostage takers should be destroyed.
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#310386 - 01/15/19 08:52 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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McConnell has nerves of steel.

Does Trump? He has a narrow window now to be a hero and put those people back to work despite Democratic obstruction. After that I'm pretty sure the ratings are gonna go south.

This is how he negotiates, he makes demands, leaves the table, then comes back with new demands.

He's gonna blink because the Democrats don't have to.
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#310391 - 01/16/19 01:12 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Democrats just got elected specifically to check the unilateral decisions of the President. They can't back down on this, because that would go directly against the will of the voters who sent them. Trump has to learn (and quickly) how to be a President who has opposition in Congress. He has to learn to accept defeat. This really should not be all that hard for him. He's lost in court at almost every instance.

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#310396 - 01/16/19 07:05 AM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
The Democrats just got elected specifically to check the unilateral decisions of the President. They can't back down on this, because that would go directly against the will of the voters who sent them. Trump has to learn (and quickly) how to be a President who has opposition in Congress. He has to learn to accept defeat. This really should not be all that hard for him. He's lost in court at almost every instance.


I guarantee you (and forgive me if I repeat myself)that if Dems cave on this, it is rewarding a hostage taker, perhaps what would easily become the most prolific political hostage taker in history.

Hostage taking will be to Trump what a newly erect penis and a porn mag is to a fourteen year old boy with no one home and lots of privacy.
But in reality, for the rest of us, it will be a gigantic dog taking giant craps on the carpet.

It is time to housebreak the dog now or we will never get the chance to do it again.
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#310397 - 01/16/19 02:54 PM Re: The Shutdown Is Mitch McConnell's Fault [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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housebreak the dog

"training" ordinary folks, that would work. "training" a narcissist ... I don't think so much.

He will see the whole as an affront, an insult, to him personally. He has to regain the perceived power loss. Remember, he has a personality disorder. He is not a rational human. (I suspect a rational actor would have ended the shutdown as a lost cause, but not a narcissist). I suspect without a viable solution which projects Mr Trump as supreme winner, this may go on for a long time. He has to win ... well ... because he is the Savior of America etc.

If I could have been in contact with Democrat leaders I would have recommended they consult with NPD experts to learn how to manage the conversation. I think once they shuck the notion they are dealing with a rational person, and I don;t mean a crybaby, subadult, but a real person, they will be able to properly manage the relationship they have to endure.
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