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#310226 - 01/06/19 02:17 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
What would move his base to support impeachment proceedings? After listening to some Trump supporters yesterday, I would say they would follow him all the way to hell.

Trump's base has a seething resentment of the United States government for foisting Affirmative Action on them, for foisting gay marriage on them, for insuring that poor minorities have enough food to eat - and making Trump's supporters pay for it, for putting other religions on par, or above, their own beloved Christianity. Hmm

...but they'll never be honest enough to admit it. If you read their comments on public forums - it's all there if you put it all tougher. shocked

Trump's base also recongizes that Russia - at least the Northern western part, is all white - a fact that doesn't escape them. Hmm
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#310227 - 01/06/19 03:50 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
What would move his base to support impeachment proceedings?


All I know is, it is now "even money" according to popular oddsmakers.

DONALD TRUMP IS EVEN MONEY TO BE IMPEACHED (PSST, DONALD - THAT’S BAD NEWS)

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"Donald Trump’s odds to be impeached by the House of Representatives are EVEN – the highest they’ve ever been. The latest betting odds released by BetOnline have Trump’s odds of being impeached by the House at +100."



WILL DONALD TRUMP BE IMPEACHED BY THE HOUSE?
Odds
Yes +100
No -140

WILL DONALD TRUMP LAST HIS FULL FIRST TERM?
Odds
Yes -300
No +200

WILL DONALD TRUMP LEAVE OFFICE VIA IMPEACHMENT?
Odds
Yes +600
No -1500

WILL DONALD TRUMP RESIGN THE PRESIDENCY IN HIS FIRST TERM?
Odds
Yes +350
No -600
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#310230 - 01/06/19 04:54 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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OK, I believe you have missed the point. You have pointed out the obvious stats on the House filing charges. No problem, I suspect the odds given are probably close to right.

Here is the problem. Senate Republicans are not supporting a conviction. The putative reason is the BASE support and will continue to support Mr Trump and if any of them turn on Mr Trump the BASE will primary them with a more extreme (if you can grasp that) candidate who has pledged fealty to Mr Trump. So as long as the BASE (maybe we can start calling them Trump's al Qaeda) supports Mr Trump, Senate Republicans will not vote to convict.

Thus, if the BASE were to reduce their support for Mr Trump, it would allow some Senate Republicans the opportunity to vote for conviction and not be primaried. So what would change the BASES support?

Rick pointed out some of the many reasons the BASE continues support for Mr Trump i.e. basically they hate everything about the OTHER. None of that will change. (See comment on shooting in Times Square). Mr Trump will continue to cater to his BASE. There are too many reasons these folks will not reduce the level of their support for Mr Trump, which means Senate Republicans will not abandon Mr Trump.

Despite the probability the House will file charges, it will become a meaningless political gesture, unless Trump's BASE abandons him, and the probability of that happening are ... nil ... zero ... nada ...etc

I suspect the only redress to lift the yoke of the pall which has covered America, is to electorally remove Mr Trump from office.
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#310231 - 01/06/19 05:53 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#310256 - 01/08/19 09:07 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pdx rick]
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#310260 - 01/08/19 09:32 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pdx rick]
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Want me wunna them hats rick.
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#310266 - 01/09/19 04:59 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump Tower is the symbol of money-laundering. Hmm
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#310267 - 01/09/19 04:59 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Want me wunna them hats rick.

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#310360 - 01/14/19 08:15 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting little article about how the system failed:

Trump Was Never Vetted

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A recent Patrick Radden Keefe profile of Mark Burnett reveals how the reality television producer turned Trump into a commanding business tycoon. “We walked through the offices and saw chipped furniture,” one Apprentice producer recalls in the piece. “We saw a crumbling empire at every turn. Our job was to make it seem otherwise.”

The Apprentice depicted Trump not as a bankrupt crook but as a wealthy genius, for whose favor a cast of supplicants would compete. The show revolved around competing business ideas that Trump would oversee. The problem was that Trump — just as he does in the White House — made irrational and bizarre choices. He “was frequently unprepared for these sessions, with little grasp of who had performed well. Sometimes a candidate distinguished herself during the contest only to get fired, on a whim, by Trump.” Keefe reports that in such instances, the producers would edit the footage to make Trump’s foolish decisions appear wise. Tens of millions of Americans voted for a television character they took to be some reasonable approximation of a real person.

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#310367 - 01/14/19 07:12 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Pretty good article about the very bad effects of ignoring past administration's crimes:

Prosecute Trump to the Full Extent of the Law

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There is a reason that “Equal Justice Under Law” is carved into the physical architecture of the Supreme Court above its primary west entrance. Far, far too often, America has not been a society where we are all actually subject to law equally. And yet the notion that politicians and billionaires are supposed to be the same under the law as the poor and the oppressed is a powerful principle. This aspiration is necessary for the development of a sense of community and has served as a powerful impetus for America becoming generally less unfair over time.


Nixon's pardons, Reagan's pardons, and Bush (Senior and Junior) pardons all lead directly to Trump: Somebody who actually campaigned on being a criminal, because crime has no consequences for the rich and powerful. If we want to break that deadly cycle we have to stop ignoring crimes.

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