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#310371 - 01/14/19 10:55 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I watched a discussion about whether them in TV should actually run Trump speeches live. There seems to be a growing consensus that they should not and, at the very least, all lies edited out of said speeches. I have no idea if such should come to pass but, for me, ITS ABOUT TIME!

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#310372 - 01/15/19 12:41 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That is Censorship.

The news just needs to do what they are doing now; airing the story, showing us the facts and pointing out the contradictions.

Or just not air any story which in and of itself is censorship.
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#310373 - 01/15/19 05:06 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think it's fine to air Trump's speeches uncensored, but they should reserve the bottom quarter of the screen for a huge "LIE" legend they flash when he tells a whopper. After all, it is news that he said those things just like it's news that they were lies. The problem with analyzing the speech later for truthfulness is that his fans just shut off the set after he stops speaking. By not presenting the two streams concurrently they are failing to serve the public.

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#310374 - 01/15/19 11:40 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If indictments start flowing from the Mueller probe, a big if, I'm going to make a surprise prediction: Devin Nunes may be indicted as a conspirator. Consider his bizarre behavior at the start of the process, and his involvement in fund-raising for the inaugural committee. One of the potential charges is illegal foreign contributions, which he was in position to know about. What if he was trying to cover up his own participation?

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#310385 - 01/15/19 08:27 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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TV networks charge for advertising, pure and simple. When jackass gives a speech its advertising, pure and simple. That being the case I don't think that can actually be called censorship. This would be especially true with lies as they sure as hell can't be construed as something that is of any real importance.

I do not, for instance, listen to anything Jackass says because it has nothing to do with anything but himself. Same holds true with Kellyanne and the the other spokesperson. Waste of time. I treat ads the same way. If any of them say anything that actually has content of interest its always addressed by the talking heads so why bother?

The problem with doing live truth checking is that errors might occur due to time constraints which is, I suspect, why we don't have something like that right now.

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#310392 - 01/16/19 01:17 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think you are right about Nunes: He probably gets indicted as a participant in the conspiracy. Just because his parts in it failed spectacularly, doesn't make them any less criminal.

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#310431 - 01/18/19 08:16 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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CNN is reporting Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress:

Trump Told Michael Cohen To Lie

Apparently Cohen told this all to the Mueller team, and Mueller has emails and documents that back up his story. That's called Suborning Perjury (essentially conspiracy to commit perjury), and it's coequal to Perjury. That's not perjury about a blow job. It's perjury about Trump's relationship with Russia. It's probably about the involvement with the Moscow tower throughout the campaign, and Trump may very well have told the same lie to Mueller in his written answers, since that lie was the "story" Cohen was coordinating with everybody before he confessed to Mueller.

I think the final Mueller Report is going to contain more than one documented case for impeachment.

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#310432 - 01/18/19 12:52 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Speculation A: It is the Russian oil company Rosneft Oil where Trump was given a percentage of ownership for his assist in addressing the sanctions Obama placed on the Russians, per the Steele Dossier. Hmm

Speculation B: I don't have one. SEE: Speculation A smile

I have a Speculation B now. smile

Speculation B: Fatboy wanted a Trump Tower so badly, he was planning one, signed a letter of intent, then his big, fat, mouth and asinine over-inflated ego caused the neurotic son-of-a-bitch and hot-mess, to run for President, that the Trump Tower - Moscow was put on hold. When rumors of Fatboy's financial cozy relationships with Russia appeared in the press, Fatboy lied about said relationships, as he always does. Putin probably slightly jabbing at Fatso said: "I tell about your intent to build a Tower in Moscow - and Fatboy seeing he put himself in a corner became a little frightened. Then Putin saw that Fatboy was under his spell and told Fatboy to get rid of Obama's 2014 sanctions, and Fatboy did at the Republican National Convention.

It is through a series of minor lies, that have now snowballed into one gigantic FUBAR that there is no turning back for Fatboy.

America must now Impeach the walking, talking, rectum commonly known as an ässhole. smile
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#310433 - 01/18/19 12:56 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think it's fine to air Trump's speeches uncensored, but they should reserve the bottom quarter of the screen for a huge "LIE" legend they flash when he tells a whopper. After all, it is news that he said those things just like it's news that they were lies. The problem with analyzing the speech later for truthfulness is that his fans just shut off the set after he stops speaking. By not presenting the two streams concurrently they are failing to serve the public.

Better yet, they should have a digital meter counting the lies like a slot machine at the bottom of the screen. smile
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#310434 - 01/18/19 12:56 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
If indictments start flowing from the Mueller probe, a big if, I'm going to make a surprise prediction: Devin Nunes may be indicted as a conspirator. Consider his bizarre behavior at the start of the process, and his involvement in fund-raising for the inaugural committee. One of the potential charges is illegal foreign contributions, which he was in position to know about. What if he was trying to cover up his own participation?

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