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#310480 - 01/21/19 01:10 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: jgw]
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The way I heard it, a spokesman for the Mueller investigation stated simply that the report was not accurate. Simply that.

Not that it was partially accurate, not that they got it a little bit mixed up, not that it as anything but wrong.

Buzzfeed can stand behind it all they want, that doesn't make it any more or less accurate. Just that they printed what was reported to them in good faith.
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#310488 - 01/21/19 08:10 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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In an interview, Ivanka tried to spin it a bit but essentially verified everything in the BuzzFeed article. Just like the Steele dossier, over the long run I think we will see that it's true on all the major points but a few of the details are incorrect. For example, Mueller has documentation that shows Trump and Cohen agreed to a lie together, rather than Trump telling Cohen to lie.

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#310572 - 01/25/19 02:21 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pondering_it_all]
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#310576 - 01/25/19 03:47 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Roger Stone is to the Trump and Nixon administrations what Zacarias Moussawi was to the 9/11 hijackers.
He is the only member of Nixon's Dirty Tricks Team who never got caught or prosecuted. While other members have either died, or served time and went on to live quiet lives or host little radio shows or write books, Stone has leveraged his balls on ever bigger gambles against democracy, upping the ante like a card counter in Vegas.
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#310579 - 01/25/19 05:35 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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#310598 - 01/27/19 01:13 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Rumorhazzit that Steve Bannon is "Individual 1" in the Roger Stone indictment.

I don't remember Steve Bannon being in Europe in July/August 2016, but Jerome Corsi was.

My bet is that "Individual 1" in the Stone indictment is Jerome Corsi. smile


The Radio Show host listed but not named is Randy Credico. I wish it were Sean Hannity, I'd love to see that guy take a fall. Hmm
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#310627 - 01/29/19 04:34 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: pdx rick]
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It should be remembered that the last time Roger Stone had the opportunity to protect Donald Trump in a deposition he folded like a cheap tent and implicated Trump. I'm trying to re-find a citation to the deposition. I don't expect him to hold up to pressure any better than Cohen.

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#310631 - 01/29/19 08:53 AM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I just saw an interesting report on MSNBC about the public wanting House democrats to get and expose Trump's income tax returns. Seems that at one of his two tax fraud trials, he claimed $600,000 in deductions for a business but could not supply the IRS with a single receipt or any documentation. On top of that, his tax accountant told the court that his signature on the return was a forgery! Trump got a chewing-out and had to pay it back plus a fine, but no jail time. I wonder if he also had to pay off the judge to get that sentence.

His casinos also had a money-laundering charge that went to court and was upheld. Again, no jail time because we don't send billionaires to jail.

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#310633 - 01/29/19 05:50 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: NW Ponderer]
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A friend suggested that the ultimate outcome of the Mueller report might be the equivalent of Americans being patted on the head and told, "Don't worry about it, nothing to see here, just forget it. We will not be releasing it to the public at all".

If the report says that nothing was serious enough to warrant impeachment, it's a tough pill to swallow but eventually we would have to, and move on.

If however, "we never get to see it and nothing is done - - to supposedly keep the country from imploding",
I guarantee you it's a sure-fire bet that the country WILL implode, and EXPLODE. If there is anything guaranteed to set off a bloody revolution, it's the notion that justice is not done to proven criminals in power at the very top.
It will be a sign to Americans that the law is meaningless and absolutely worthless.

I dare Barr to try and paper over the report. Watch what happens if he does. It won't be "leftist violence", no sir...it will be people from all sides who expect to see justice carried out and respect given to the law. Any attempt to even try to pull a stunt like that would be tantamount to the law itself aiding and abetting, and then covering up.

I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.

Again, I am NOT SAYING that the reaction would be dire if the report exonerates Trump and his crew, it would be upsetting but not fatal to the country. I am suggesting that if the report is deemed to be so bad that it is covered up and stashed away and nothing is ever done, it would set off a fatal reaction from many sides, from Americans from all walks of life.

Your thoughts??
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#310634 - 01/29/19 06:45 PM Re: Justice is coming [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I seriously doubt that Americans will tolerate such an openly blatant and brazen disregard for core American values.


And I point to Donald Trump and say yes. Yes they will tolerate just about anything and applaud it if it's their party doing it.

I personally think yall have been hoping for way too much in this investigation and are likely to be disappointed when it finally comes out.
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