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#311045 - 02/19/19 04:31 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Bernies in....


As an "independent" or as an actual member of the Democratic Party?
Not anxious for a repeat of 2016.
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#311046 - 02/19/19 05:04 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Bernie: to old and to far left. The Democratic voter wants and needs a candidate that looks, talks and thinks like they do; so no over 60 candidates.
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#311047 - 02/19/19 05:43 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Bernie had the highest approval ratings among the millenials.

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#311048 - 02/19/19 05:44 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I saw much good coming out of the 2016 election.

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#311051 - 02/19/19 06:26 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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interpret for me ... was it the policies which inspired millennials or is it the cult of personality and modern Americans suffer from a disease.
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#311052 - 02/19/19 07:46 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: rporter314]
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I don't claim to speak for younger generations. Just looking at the polls.

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#311053 - 02/19/19 08:37 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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If Bernie runs and Beto doesn't, I'm all in with Bernie.
Bernie "had" the best numbers with millenials in 2016 and given the lackluster quality of the Democratic field I think he will shoot to the top.
I don't think he's too old. Bernie's still got the fire in his belly and he's not liable to retire any time soon anyway.

Beto could take those millenials away from him though. Along with people of color and a few more demographic slices of the pie.

I'm not saying Beto would be a better president. Just that he will win in a long, hard fought primary race.
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#311054 - 02/19/19 08:47 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: rporter314]
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interpret for me ... was it the policies which inspired millennials or is it the cult of personality and modern Americans suffer from a disease.


It's a bit of a chicken/egg question. But I'm going with the policies.
They stood out from the pack and resonated with younger voters because younger voters(Millienals and now the first waves of ZGen) tend towards socialism. Unlike older folks they are seeing the ravages of runaway capitalism.


Then he went viral and became a Super Hero.
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#311055 - 02/19/19 09:14 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Rock stars and politics. Mr Trump doesn't have any appeal for me ... his speeches are typically dumb, based in ignorance and fear but clearly he has great appeal among his supporters ... I call it tarnished charisma or more aptly dumbed down charisma i.e only the ignorant are captivated.

I think in addition to policies, Sen Sanders did have charisma. I don't think people go crazy over policies but they do become emotionally invested when touched.

Whomever the Democrats run better have rock star status with an ability to pre-emptively defuse the 6th grade insults with that certain je ne sais quoi. Mr Trump is not creative enough to find a proper retort and devolves into childish nonsense.

What did Sen Sanders say ... someone who will definitely defeat Mr Trump
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#311056 - 02/19/19 09:50 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: rporter314]
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Beto's got the rock star thing tied up if he runs. Good people flock to him the way assh*les flock to Donald Trump. Immigration reform is gonna be big in 2020 after the Children In Cages™ policy popular with Republicans. Beto's strongest point is immigration.
Bernie is all about economic reform.

Economic reform is probably more important.

But the children.....

The rest of the field has the charisma of a warm bucket of spit.
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