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#310671 - 01/31/19 05:57 PM Fault
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It seems to me that Jackass is always at fault for everything that happens in Washington D.C. I have given this some thought and have decided that is simply not true. I do not like Trump, I think he is a danger to the Republic and incredibly incompetent. All that being said I think folks forget. The shutdown occurred due to an inability of the congress to do its damned job, pure and simple. The congress does not need the president to do ANYTHING! They have the right, and the responsibility, for instance, constitutionally, to control the purse strings, declare war, oversee the administrative branck (presidency), etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_United_States_Congress

These are simple facts. If the president does not agree with what congress does then that body can pass legislation, with super majorities and simply, pretty much, ignore the presidency all together. The last shutdown was a really good example of what could have happened. They had everybody in the nation, for instance, believing that it was either the president, or the Democrats that were responsible. That, was a damned lie. Had we a congress with a backbone, and a commitment to their responsibilities and the constitution (which they are constantly mentioning), then all they had to do was to simply pass what the president finally signed, with a super majority and the shutdown would have ended - that didn't happen.

Then there is the Mitch McConnell thing. Some blame it all onto him. This is just another lie by those who haven't the backbone to actually, again, do their damned jobs! We were told that Mitch wouldn't let the senate do its job. That's just more crap. A majority of senators could have fired him from his job, an individual, or a group, could have brought something to vote on. Again, these are simple facts. I know, I am using 'simple' maybe too much but it is SIMPLE!

So, just to be clear, we have a craven organization called "The Congress of the United States". That group of incompetents have somehow managed to dodge the bullet. I believe that they should be held responsible for their incompetence, greed, ignorance and just plain old lazyness. The simple fact is that congress worked 145 days out of 261 work days. So, basically, out of 365 days in a year they work for 145 days so they are taking off 220 days which is approximately 7 months. Out of the 145 days they are in session half that time is probably spent begging for money and making promises.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/heres-ho...ce-in-2018.html

So, the next time you blame Jackass for something please consider whether the congress could have done something about it. There is certainly enough blame for EVERYBODY when politics are the subject. On the other hand congress is right at the top for any number of messes we have.

Lest anybody think I am a fan of Jackass I offer:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/trump-schedule-executive-time

Please note - I have not suggested anything of a partisan nature. We have 3 branches of government; Administrative, Congress, and the Supreme Court. That's it! Right now, as far as I am concerned, we have two that are simply not functioning, or doing their damned jobs! Our problems are, I think, a bit deeper than politics..........


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#310676 - 01/31/19 09:31 PM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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#310679 - 02/01/19 12:54 AM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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Kind of silly to try and blame all of Congress when just the Senate is not working right, and kind of silly to claim that the Senate minority is equally to blame. We don't need to "throw them all out". We need to identify the particular Senators who are gumming up the works and replace them. Quite a number of them can do the job just fine, if the majority would let them.

You have to figure out what the problem is, if you want to fix it. And you don't even need to change the majority. Just put in some people who respect the law and normal order.

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#310685 - 02/01/19 02:39 PM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Then there is the Mitch McConnell thing. Some blame it all onto him. This is just another lie by those who haven't the backbone to actually, again, do their damned jobs! We were told that Mitch wouldn't let the senate do its job. That's just more crap. A majority of senators could have fired him from his job, an individual, or a group, could have brought something to vote on. Again, these are simple facts. I know, I am using 'simple' maybe too much but it is SIMPLE!
While there is much you say I agree with, here you are letting Mitch McConnell of the hook too readily. The "majority" of the Senators are Republican, and they think McConnell's mismanagement and unconstitutional behavior is just fine. Don't blame the Dems for that.

Congress should do its job, but you still have anti-democratic forces in charge of the Senate. As long as that is true, McConnell gets away with gumming up the works, and high-handed misbehavior. Don't blame Democrats for that - at all. The Republicans could have fixed this with the new Congress, but that would have meant being principled, and that is something they cannot muster. Party Über Alles. This is, I'm afraid a "simple fact" that you simply got wrong.

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#310693 - 02/01/19 07:49 PM Re: Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I am not letting mitch off of anything. The simple fact is that the rest of the senate is simply going along with him and letting him take the heat. They have the right and responsibility to offer stuff on the floor, fight back, vote him out, etc. They haven't even tried to do anything. They are just fellow travelers concerned about keeping their jobs rather than doing their jobs and working for the nation.

As far as blame goes I blame the whole damned bunch of them. They are great game players and seem to think that is enough. I can remember when the dems were in charge. It was not all that much better. They made runs as stuff like forcing political ads to actually put sponsors names on them, and they made a run at immigration, etc. I remember when they were 'fixing' the banking industry and, at the same time, running stock buying operations in their offices! They also actually made a run at taking away the rights of stock owners to vote in the management of companies they owned stock in. I could keep going on how the Dems behave when they are in charge but, basically, not much better, if any, than the Republicans.

Remember we have a congress that works approximately 5 months a year and the rest of the time is spent raising money to keep their jobs. That is not my idea of working for the voters and more like working for their own interests. This has nothing to do with sides, liberals, right, left, whatever. What it has to do is a bunch of folks getting paid to do a job they don't seem to either respect of have much interest in. They are like herd animals. They stick together, for the most part, some get a little skittish, but, for the most part, they just thunder around looking for more 'food' and little else.

As far as I am concerned its the whole bunch of them, Republicans and Democrats. They are broken, the system is broken and they just can't bring themselves, regardless of side, to do something about it. Congress is in session for approximately 130 days a year. However, that doesn't mean they are actually doing anything. Then there is their work days. They actually work something like 1 out of every 3 days. They spend more time flying home than doing their jobs. That's pretty good for a group of bums that get paid something like 170,000.00 a year?

I would prefer the Dems be in charge but to claim that they are such wonders at fixing and legislating is not exactly not much better than any other wishful thinking.

Basically I would like to see a complete reorganization of the congress. If nothing else it would be nice if they were at work instead of home trying to assure themselves that they will keep their jobs.

Sorry..................

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#310696 - 02/02/19 03:19 AM Re: Fault [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

Congress should do its job, but you still have anti-democratic forces in charge of the Senate. As long as that is true, McConnell gets away with gumming up the works, and high-handed misbehavior. Don't blame Democrats for that - at all. The Republicans could have fixed this with the new Congress, but that would have meant being principled, and that is something they cannot muster. Party Über Alles. This is, I'm afraid a "simple fact" that you simply got wrong.


JGW, NWP is making some salient points.
The Republicans have an openly professed hatred of functioning government since at least 1980, therefore they own the dysfunction AT LEAST to the extent that it derives from everything that they do which accelerates it. (i.e., the SHUTDOWN)
You've read quips by R's who are celebrating the shutdown and so have I so let's both agree that they seem to see it as a plus.

Now, when you add Mitch's refusal to even allow the democratic process to even HAPPEN, the equivalent of a cop who refuses to walk a beat, and Donald Trump's personal imprimatur ("I own the shutdown"), I find it difficult to go elsewhere to assign responsibility.
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#310700 - 02/02/19 06:20 AM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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You seem a bit confused about what Senate Democrats can and can't do. They run zero committees, so all of their many subpoena requests have been ignored. They are trying to do their jobs but have been thwarted at every turn by Mitch and the leadership on every committee. Most everything they want to propose never gets to the floor for a vote, because Mitch doesn't want it to. But that's just how the Senate works. Them's the rules, and the majority gets to revise the rules whenever they want.

So what would you have them (or some replacements) do? Go on TV to whine about it and look ineffective? Bring guns into the chamber and start having duels? Fist fights on the chamber floor? Spitting?

Frustrating Democrats is actually Republican policy starting with the Hastert Rule. No matter what Democrats propose, you vote it down or never let it come to a vote at all, no matter how reasonable it is. Note that this has never been Democratic policy! When Democrats hold the majority they are perfectly willing to vote for Republican proposals and sometimes pass them. This is called "normal order". So exactly who makes the Congress not work is pretty obvious.

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#310701 - 02/02/19 06:43 AM Re: Fault [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
You seem a bit confused about what Senate Democrats can and can't do.


I was backing up your previous post in the hopes JGW would see it.
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#310716 - 02/02/19 08:18 PM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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I don't think that what Mitch did was right. All I am saying is that even individual senate members can propose, etc. Right now is a good time to start that kind of stuff as there are chinks beginning in the Republican lock step as Jackass gets more and more bizarre. Now, for instance, he is no longer just lying but, apparently, referencing a different reality. In that reality its the truth. The entire situation is getting bizarre. I watched when one of his ex-supporters, and long time friend, said he thought that Jackass was simply insane.

The trick for the Dems is to run some bi-partisan candy up the flag pole and just keep doing it. Non-bloated legislation that anybody with half a mind couldn't reject. Just do it by baby steps until the right gets used to 'reasonable', democratic, logical solutions to this and that.

We should also remember that Mitch, on the day Obama was elected, proudly, and publicly, stated that he would do whatever it took to stop ANY Obama legislation and they stuck to that for 8 years. So, basically, they gotta show Mitch that he would be wise to take a more moderate path just to get re-elected and his current crap is not helping him one bit. I suspect the Dems could help by just going to Kentucky with some vigor.

My main point was that whilst Mitch was bad he certainly had fellow travelers and, by keeping their mouths shut, they were in collusion and that needs to be understood and I was referencing them that are his current pals. My problem with the Dems was completely different but, it seems, they are on the attack instead of being guilty of not tooting their own horns, stating goals, and no longer ignoring the lunacies of the right. Hopefully this new trait won't stop them from any possible bi-partisan stuff that they can buy into.

Anyway...............

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#310720 - 02/03/19 12:55 AM Re: Fault [Re: jgw]
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Mitch McConnell received $3.5M In Campaign Donations From Russian Oligarch-Linked Firm.

Not surprisingly, another Russian oligarch enjoyed McConnell's efforts to block continuing sanctions.

McConnell is tied to dirty Russian oligarch money the same way that Trump is, so in order to take down Trump, one must take down his "human shield" in the Senate.
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