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#310274 - 01/09/19 05:44 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I think I've already predicted a scenario where it's highly likely the Democratic Party will further alienate it's left and may lead to a split.


That's not so much a prediction as a hope for an eventual split so you can jump on the third party bandwagon.

The way things are actually looking is that lefties are getting elected by voters all over the place because demographics are trending leftward. The Democratic Party has not really begun to adjust yet but they will. Not enough to satisfy you, but enough to prevent an actual split. The socialization of capitalism is a slow and unsteady work in progress.
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#310278 - 01/09/19 10:26 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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"That's not so much a prediction as a hope for an eventual split so you can jump on the third party bandwagon."

Oh Hell Yeah!

Any force that releases us from the death grip of moldering, feckless political nihilism found in the composting Democratic party will be a welcome relief.
Party leadership has an instinctive will to kill off it's left. They have no ideas

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#310318 - 01/11/19 09:24 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Any force that releases us from the death grip of moldering, feckless political nihilism found in the composting Democratic party will be a welcome relief.


Maybe it would be. But it's not going to happen. The more likely scenario is that any split in the Democratic party simply gives over more power to Republicans.

But I don't think it's going to come to that. More and more Progressive Democrats and Democratic Socialists are going to get elected. Just as the TEA Party dragged the Republicans to the right, the progressives will drag Democrats to the left.

2020 baby! Things are gonna be changing for the better.
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#310420 - 01/17/19 10:46 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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"If you have strayed, all is forgiven, but you better come to Jesus right now because memory is long, and history judges the cowardly squish far more harshly than the honest enemy. And you can’t say that no one was there at the time to tell you that this was it—this was the pivotal moment where you had to make the right choice."

It's Bernie, B!tch

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#310421 - 01/18/19 12:09 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Hey, I'm okay with Bernie, if he gets nominated I'll be proud to vote for him. Just like last time.

It's his turn after all...
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#310430 - 01/18/19 05:51 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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More and more Progressive Democrats and Democratic Socialists are going to get elected. Just as the TEA Party dragged the Republicans to the right, the progressives will drag Democrats to the left.


This is what I keep talking about. I've spent hours talking about this, here on CHB and elsewhere. The Tea Party and Freedom Caucus takeovers, and the Trump takeovers of the GOP are a blueprint on how it is done, and there is no reason why we can't simply use the same methodologies on our side.
It is cheap, it is effective and transformative, and as far as Bernie goes, if he sees the sea change in the party, maybe he will be smart enough to finally JOIN so that he can be more than just a write-in wet dream for Republicans.

Yeah Chunk, I know...you don't believe in it or believe it possible by any stretch.
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#310519 - 01/23/19 01:34 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (29, D-N.Y.), Max Rose (31, D-N.Y.), Haley Stevens (35, D-Mich.), Lauren Underwood (32, D-Ill.), Abby Finkenauer (30, D-Iowa), Ilhan Omar (37, D-Minn.) ... and 14 other freshman members of Congress, comprising one of the most diverse classes in United States history.

At the start of the 115th Congress in January 2017, there were just five millennials (individuals born between 1981 and 1996) in the House of Representatives. But as of January 2018, when the 116th Congress convened, there are 26. According to Pew, more than one-fifth of the 91 congressional freshmen are millennials, and two-thirds (14) of those representatives are Democrats.


Surely you've stopped by Huffpo and seen this article?

That's demographics at work.
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#310585 - 01/26/19 12:16 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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#310586 - 01/26/19 04:21 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I didn't figure he'd make it to Iowa. He's a Republican, he'll find another way to attach himself to a government teat.
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#310599 - 01/27/19 01:56 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I was under the impression he is a Democrat.

Yup, here he is, Richard Ojeda - Democrat. (albeit a "Conserv-a-Dem")
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