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#314991 - 09/06/19 11:26 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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I'm going to have a beer with Elizabeth Warren.
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#314992 - 09/06/19 11:27 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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...which brings up the question, which candidate(s) would you like to have a beer with?
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#315143 - 09/10/19 04:26 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
...which brings up the question, which candidate(s) would you like to have a beer with?


Oh, without a doubt the beer would have to be with Bernie, he definitely does have a sense of humor, you just have to be patient.
For instance, here he is, scaring the crap out of a Republican pundit on TV:

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#315222 - 09/12/19 12:31 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Occasionally I listen to NPR. Yesterday had a segment on the top three dem candidates. The conversation confined itself to two of the three. ‘Electability’ and ‘likability ‘ were talked about and almost nothing else. As brain dead a political conversation as you could get. Almost on the scale of party leadership:

“A few hours later, Martin addressed thousands from the convention podium and — in more restrained tones — focused on blaming nonresponsive voters for the failures of Democratic candidates to inspire them. “In 2016 we had 10 percent of Democrats who voted for Donald Trump,” he said. “We had 53 percent of white women who voted for Donald Trump. We had a tripling of the third-party vote throughout our country. And probably most discouraging to me: as consistent Democratic base voters, people who always show up in elections, many of them didn’t show up to vote at all.”

A logical question would be: Why did many of them not show up to vote at all? But Martin wasn’t going there”

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#315227 - 09/12/19 12:54 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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...Why did many of them not show up to vote at all?...

That was me.

I didn't vote for several reasons. One being, that I moved to a new state in August 2016 and found it too difficult to get registered to vote. Secondly, I was not inspired to go vote or go through the hassle of registering to vote and figured that Hillary was going to win anyway.

Hmm
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#315273 - 09/13/19 01:27 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Watching tonight’s debate. I find all ot these Democratic candidates to be worthy... except Biden.

Nine of them speak to the issues out of their minds, Biden speaks from talking points and “Obama”.
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#315502 - 09/17/19 01:00 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Trump at his Rio Rancho (Spanish name) New Mexico (more Spanish) rally yesterday:

"Who do you love more? Hispanics, or America?" ROTFMOL

I guess he's campaigning to lose even more bigley than in 2016 in NM...
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#315655 - 09/20/19 02:29 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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“Sanders reached the milestone seven months after he announced his candidacy in February, faster than any candidate ever.”

Huh......

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#316394 - 10/07/19 02:44 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Why not? Bout as useful. More entertaining than this Frat House bleacher row we have going on today.


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#321401 - 02/11/20 08:59 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I still believe the same thing:

Justice Lewis Powell "created" the divisiveness, but Rush Limbaugh made it accessible and understandable to the mouth-breathing yokel masses. Powell's memo was a vitriolic and yet scholarly work, while Limbaugh's show is "Powell" if you fed it to a pig, extracted the fecal matter and then reconstituted it into Powell flavored pablum.

It was the Powell Memo that gave birth and rise to the plethora of "think tanks", designed to churn out alternate realities and favorable cherry picked "data" to support the media packaged anger.

The Powell Memo is the "mein kampf" of the angry Right. Limbaugh's show is just a moveable Nuremberg Rally on the radio.
And Murdoch is his counterpart on TV.

And now their biggest media cheerleader on the radio has cancer.
Too bad he didn't get already sidelined by losing his hearing six years ago.

Look at the BILLIONS invested in supporting the angry "Powell" corporatist position. Forget parties, the Powell angry tribe has outspent all parties combined in the last forty years by several orders of magnitude.

And Chunk is right about the fact that some Dems lined up with their hands out for some of those billions too.

The Powell Memo worked well, beyond their wildest dreams.
Powell has ultimately led us to Trump, you can draw a bright red line from there to here.

Of course, almost anything can work well when you pump billions of dollars into it, unless you get too full of your own rhetoric and start actually believing your own bullsh!t.
And they have indeed reached that point, and that is why I am hoping to God the American people wake up to that fact.

And that is why I think pinning our hopes on a moderate is foolish, there are no "moderates" remaining in the opposition party to reach across to.
If Bernie or Warren can learn to package and market their message effectively, they will win decisively.

Somewhere in there, they need to force people to answer the question:

"Who are the "moderates" on the other side that a moderate Democrat can work with?"

Because I just don't see any.
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