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#310654 - 01/30/19 09:04 PM It can never happen here!
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"It could never happen here!" is a common saying and thought. I find it kinda interesting, especially when one considers Venezuela. Venezuela was, at one time, the 4th richest country in the world! They continue to sit on the world's greatest oil deposits, etc.

Now, however, its a bit different. Over 1 million have fled, their inflation rate, last I heard, was something like 10000 percent, they have run out of food, medicine, doctors, and anything else you can think of. Its currently being run by a guy who used to drive a bus! Their oil industry is neither competent or very functional. They got real problems.

So, if the 4th richest nation on the earth can get where Venezuela has gotten, and given our current problems, I would humbly suggest that IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

OH, and Jackass, our dear leader, is apparently considering going to war with Venezuela as well. So, he is going to save them by conquering them. One can only wonder?

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#310656 - 01/30/19 09:33 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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Venezuela is not a threat to the United States, but... the Maduro administration, like the Trump administration, is peopled by incompetents and cronies. Corruption and nepotism run rampant. The United States is not, yet, the "failed state" that Venezuela has become, but Republicans are working hard toward that goal. Perhaps the shutdown has opened some eyes. The peril is close.

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#310659 - 01/30/19 09:44 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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The only open eyes within Trumps circle are people realizing they have to steal it faster before the collapse.
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#310793 - 02/07/19 05:53 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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"The US sanctions are illegal under international law because they were not endorsed by the UN Security Council, Mr de Zayas, an expert on international law and a former senior lawyer with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said.

“Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns.

“Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees,” Mr de Zayas said in his report.

The US Treasury has not responded to a request for comment on Mr de Zayas’s allegations of the effects of the sanctions programme."

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S'funny how a democratically elected socialist government incurs an economic and clandestine jihad against it by the U.S. while the newscorp's start clucking about the will of the people and corruption of the government, ignoring the illegality of our own countries actions.....

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#310797 - 02/07/19 07:05 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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Just keep in mind that a minimum of 30% of the electorate supports Jackass. I am not talking about just passive support but real support, ie. money, active support, and utter belief that Jackass is the only one that can fix all our problems. They also actually believe all the lies about enemies, threats, moral judgments, bogus claims, evil Democrats, etc. If they had a chance, right now, they would be delighted to vote for Jackass to be Dear Leader for life and an end to congress.

Just saying...................

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#310798 - 02/07/19 07:15 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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You conflated Venezuela's democratically elected socialist government to it's economic crises without mentioning the economic jihad begun under Obama and intensified under Current Administration.
Now you are saying that Trump supporters could bring about a similar crises in the U.S.?
You do realize that capitalism is causing the crises in both countries?


Edited by chunkstyle (02/07/19 07:16 PM)

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#310805 - 02/07/19 11:39 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: chunkstyle]
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#310818 - 02/08/19 04:59 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
S'funny how a democratically elected socialist government
... isn't that the fundamental question, though, that you are begging? Guaido's claim to legitimacy rests on the illegitimacy of Maduro's election, and Venezuela's constitutional succession process.

I'm not saying I agree with all of the actions being taken, but I do take issue with your premise.

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#310820 - 02/08/19 06:24 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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If you title a thread "It can never happen here!", I suspect it already has happened and you just don't know it yet.
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#310822 - 02/08/19 08:13 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Was there some shady going down in Venezuela during last election? Yeah, probably. Was there shady legal manuevers in Brazil that went down during their last election run up? Yeah, probably.

The U.S. recognizes the fascist elected in Brazil and all that implies, by his own declarations, for the environment, native peoples and political opposition....

The U.S. cries foul in Venezuela and refuses to recognize a socialist President. Freezes the countries overseas financial currencies, places an economic blockade on the country with results not much different than Iraq.

This is a resource grab and we have a bloody history of knocking off governments who don't tow the line and submit to U.S. hegemony. This looks like a redux of Reagans neoliberal foreign policy from Latin America. I'm anticipating some American state violence to commence any time now.

Weather there was some dodgyness in the elections or not, we murder socialist organized brown skin people going back to Mohammad Mosaddegh who dared propose using his countries Oil wealth for social programs to benefit his county's peoples.

We selectively get concerned about legalities when it suits us.



Edited by chunkstyle (02/08/19 08:25 PM)

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