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#310871 - 02/11/19 10:08 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: chunkstyle]
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The errors in Hudson's analysis are legion, and far beyond what will fit here (hence my citations). Yes Chavez proposed a lot of reforms and other proposals, nearly all of which failed or were grossly ill-considered, or both. As was proposed earlier, it was not so much socialist incompetence, just sheer incompetence that doomed Venezuela. The same thing is occurring in our government. Name a cabinet member that is qualified for his or her job. I can't. Like Venezuela, loyalty to the leader trumps competence, and like Chavez and Maduro, it has gotten worse over time.

There are a lot of valid criticisms to be made about our historical interventionism and dimwitted economic exports, but my complaint was that the focus on that over native failures missed the point. I think the parallels between Venezuela's failures and our own was the point of this thread.

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#310873 - 02/11/19 10:46 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting. I found enormous omissions in the articles you submitted NWP.
But you are right that the point is drifting so I'll leave it for others to argue about similarities between a vassal state and declining superpower.

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#310874 - 02/11/19 11:21 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think Lange-Chirion has it right.

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#310876 - 02/12/19 01:39 AM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: jgw]
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I think the piece purposely omits a lot.

US role in undermining democracy in Venezuela

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#310890 - 02/12/19 10:07 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: chunkstyle]
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And I think that every article you read is going to look at single facets of a very sparkly jewel.

Otherwise those articles would turn into tomes of encyclopedic proportions.

There's trouble in Venezuela. Trump isn't going to help "fix" it.
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#310891 - 02/12/19 10:16 PM Re: It can never happen here! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
the Maduro administration, like the Trump administration, is peopled by incompetents and cronies. Corruption and nepotism run rampant. The United States is not, yet, the "failed state" that Venezuela has become, but Republicans are working hard toward that goal.


Yeah...it can happen here. A second Trump term could very well take us over the brink.
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