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#310846 - 02/10/19 09:35 PM Re: Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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Registered: 05/22/06
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I should add one more to my thought - the so-called tax cut. I have noticed that NOBODY is bothering to mention the tax cut is, right now, taking 100 million a year out of medicare and slight less out of medicaid. `One would think this might be important but, as far as I can tell, the Dems seem to be onboard about this. If not then one can only wonder why they are so silent. I am also sure that this may be occasionally mentioned but, in passing.

The apparent plan is to just fix EVERYTHING! No discussion, no facts, now hows - its just, apparently, gonna happen. I will remain skeptical until they can, at least, fix this egregious stuff, that, I think the voters on both sides, agree are not exactly their favorite things.

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#310864 - 02/11/19 09:01 PM Re: Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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They can fix it, but not until we have Democrats running things. Pretty much what they always do: Fixing things Republicans broke. Republicans break things to prove "government doesn't work." Certainly not Republican government! They are right about that. Trump actually fits that model very well: An arsonist who claims credit for putting out his own fires.

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#310884 - 02/12/19 08:13 PM Re: Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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You are, again, spot on. Remember, however, when the Dems are in power they do not exactly march in lock step so they also don't really accomplish much more than 'fixing' what the Republicans left for them. ADA was almost not passed (and the republicans actually wrote half of it! (they just didn't vote for it)) They had lots of other things (I have mentioned several in other posts) that they could have fixed but choose to ignore in favor of battles over whatever.

Now they are starting to run as Socialists! One can only wonder just how serious they really are. Perhaps they too have bases that are ignorant, completely seduced, and willing to support because they can (right or wrong). <sigh> If they keep it up I suspect that the next election will have low turnout, on the part of the left.

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#310889 - 02/12/19 09:59 PM Re: Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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If they keep it up I suspect that the next election will have low turnout, on the part of the left.

And I suspect the turnout will be very high. Especially if they "keep it up".

Alexandia Ocasio-Cortez continues to kick ass and take names. Republicans are running scared. Moderate Dems are seeing the future and jumping on the Green New Deal bandwagon.

Are you worried that dems are standing up and taking a path that Republicans don't like? Or do you honestly believe that Democrats should defer to the more conservative wing of the party and present themselves in such a way as not to offend the right?

I say stand up. Be bold and unafraid to usher in a new and better future.
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#310916 - 02/13/19 06:43 PM Re: Healthcare [Re: jgw]
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I tend to believe that some of the stuff in the green thing is going to get a lot of support from everybody. Mitch is going to get a vote on it which will be interesting too. I am not sure about what the "more conservative wing" actually means. I do know that most, for instance, are for a single payer system but that many just don't think that the American Electorate will buy it. It would mean, for instance, no more insurance companies, no more co-pays, no more a whole bunch of things. The there is the healthcare industry itself. Between that industry, and the Republicans demonization will kick into high gear too. On the other hand, if then Dems don't change their ways its doubtful that they will even vaguely fight back. I am talking about stuff that is fact, right now. By the time that crew are through the majority of Americans are going to be quaking in fear for their lives.

Huge changes are unlikely to happen quickly and some groundwork needs to be done. Right now, however, stuff like "Medicare for All" seem to be holding the banner and I don't have a real good opinion of that one.

By the way, did you know that half of the American auto industry moved to Canada, years ago, because they had a single payer system which means that auto industry was not forced to pay for healthcare? I always liked that one. There are some very real benefits of single payer but, again, nobody is talking about that. As far as the green thing it gets even stranger. In Washington state they just had a vote on things green and it lost. The state didn't want to put too much of a burden on big polluters so the plan was to slam everybody else with little things like 15 cent gas price tax, etc. (not sure about specifics but it was somewhere in that range). The biggest polluter in the state, also got to skate. There was a few other things that didn't seem right too, like where the money taken is was actually going to be spent (with any real detail).

all in all the problem is pesky. Big changes need big support. As far as I can tell that big support is simply not there. There needs to be some serious education about this stuff to get it done and that isn't happening either.

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