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#310995 - 02/17/19 03:23 AM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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He had to do it, because we were in very bad shape. A mixed system is optimal. And of course he had to say it was not socialism because at the time the big socialist power was the Soviet Union. He absolutely could not say: "Now we are going to do things like the USSR."

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#310996 - 02/17/19 12:32 PM Re: Takeover [Re: pondering_it_all]
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And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.

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#311002 - 02/17/19 06:13 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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How about this one. The Trump children get indicted and Jackass goes ballistic. Then, suddenly, Jackass goes silent, the idiot kids oddly get to skate as the indictments get withdrawn. A week later Jackass resigns with no explanation and remains silent. OH, and the Mueller investigation announces the job as being done - no report is ever released and everything gets sealed.

Gosh, I wonder what happened?
Did Jackass save his children from prison?
Did the investigation cause Jackass to resign or be tried as a traitor to the nation?
Did the Jackass quit because he was sick and tired of it all?
Will we ever hear the facts?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm?

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#311003 - 02/17/19 07:36 PM Re: Takeover [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.


Post of the Month Award ^^^ Bow
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#311041 - 02/19/19 06:06 AM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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How about this one.


How about this one: I'm having affairs with Angelina Jolie AND Jennifer Aniston. Nice daydream.... smile

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#311042 - 02/19/19 06:16 AM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
How about this one. The Trump children get indicted and Jackass goes ballistic. Then, suddenly, Jackass goes silent, the idiot kids oddly get to skate as the indictments get withdrawn. A week later Jackass resigns with no explanation and remains silent.


How about this one?

"Downfall"



Featuring an indelible performance by Bruno Ganz as history's most notorious despot, Downfall gives a gripping insight into the madness and desperation of a tyrant's final hours.
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#311044 - 02/19/19 03:11 PM Re: Takeover [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.


It's interesting that the wickapedia link of the history of leftism in america makes no mention of the two political repressions that had occurred. One after the Bolshevic revolution and the other after WW2.
Both right wing parties today have used the now familiar 'repress the left' as a means for getting out of a political jam.

We will see it with the Sanders campaign by right wingers in the democratic party as were seeing it happen now in the Labour party of the U.K. We've been watching it applied to AOC by both right wing parties as well.


Edited by chunkstyle (02/19/19 03:12 PM)

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#311099 - 02/21/19 07:01 PM Re: Takeover [Re: chunkstyle]
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We've been watching it applied to AOC by both right wing parties as well.


And we've watched with fascination how this clever girl has handled them. She's kicking ass and taking names.
Eating their faces off so to speak.

She's the future and they all know it. They are the dinosaurs.
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#311104 - 02/21/19 07:33 PM Re: Takeover [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
She's the future and they all know it. They are the dinosaurs.


Indeed ... and I defer to the words of this itinerant songwriter from my youth

Originally Posted By: Bob Dylan
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.
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#311107 - 02/21/19 11:23 PM Re: Takeover [Re: rporter314]
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That song has come to mind several times recently. And it makes me wonder, how we lost that revolution so badly. We changed the world alright, for the worse. Guys I dropped acid with while protesting the Vietnam war are now wearing MAGA hats and worshiping Trump.

Go figger...
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