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#310965 - 02/15/19 05:57 PM Takeover
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Jackass declares a national emergency. Law suits are entered to stop it. Eventually it goes to the courts. The it gets to the supremes, which has been pre-packed by Jackass. The supremes, therefore, have no problem with the president not being called in his circumvention of the constitution as that is his right!

So, that will allow him, basically, to do whatever he wants. Next thing is to get rid of the 2 term limit. Since he no longer has to answer to the constitution he can do that with the pen and congress is, basically, out of the picture which would not be exactly of interest as they actually have been doing that one for years.

Long Reign our Beloved Leader and best liar, cheat, and racist misogynist of all time!

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#310968 - 02/15/19 06:11 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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As near as I can tell the president is breaking no laws. At least in the context of declaring a national emergency.

His use of it as an end run around congress to embezzle money for a pet project is unprecedented though. Not illegal...just unprecedented.
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#310969 - 02/15/19 06:13 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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No more term limits?
Oh goody.

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#310972 - 02/15/19 10:55 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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Roosevelt was actually not a socialist, he was from old money, but he did what was necessary to pull us out of the depression. We had a system that had an excess of capitalism before that, which would not work at getting us out of the depression.

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#310973 - 02/15/19 10:59 PM Re: Takeover [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Roosevelt was actually not a socialist, he was from old money, but he did what was necessary to pull us out of the depression. We had a system that had an excess of capitalism before that, which would not work at getting us out of the depression.


He did not come from socialist roots and he never uttered the term itself but for all practical purposes, the things he did are indeed social democracy and a bit of democratic socialism, even if not credited as such.
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#310977 - 02/16/19 06:26 AM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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And even "Real Socialism" in the sense of central planning and guaranteed employment. But he really did not have a choice. It was either that or people would have been dying en masse in food riots. I think sometimes you have to take the direct route to a solution instead of waiting for it to solve itself, and nobody else was going to do it.

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#310980 - 02/16/19 06:08 PM Re: Takeover [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Interesting. Roosevelt was, I think, a Democrat and NOT a Socialist. He was, however, socially responsible and understood that meant some things needed to be socialized which is, to my mind, different from "Socialist". I can, however, remember my family constantly referring to him as "that damned Democrat" (they were not a fan).

I also remember my grandmother signing up for Social Security as soon as she could after it became law. I think she collected it for a LOT of years after never having paying in a dime. She was a full scale Roosevelt hater. Always found that one to be interesting.

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#310984 - 02/16/19 09:37 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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Socialized is not different from socialism.

That's why we call it socialism...it's when you socialize stuff.
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#310985 - 02/16/19 09:44 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
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Yes...what FDR did was indeed socialism. But to call it that was to over-complicate the fact that that it was the right thing to do.

In his own words:

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#310987 - 02/16/19 11:07 PM Re: Takeover [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Call it social democracy or democratic socialism but it was one of the two or some combination of the two, even if FDR himself wasn't socialist in his heart. He decided to practice some form of quasi-socialism in order to strengthen an ailing capitalist economy.

And at its heart, it is very simple, and very practical.
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