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#311075 - 02/20/19 11:49 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm gazing into my cracked crystal ball and telling you what I see. I could pull out the dogeared old Tarot cards with the missing Fool and Two of Swords(replaced with images and pips crudely drawn on a scrap of grocery bag and an unpaid electric bill) But the results would be the same.

A Trump re-election is obscured by the crack and veers into the area where I can only see rats and cockroaches.

It's Bernie all the way unless Beto runs then it's a nasty fight that Beto wins but the left gets all huffy and writes in Ralph Nader resulting in Trump's re-election. Then they spend years telling us it wasn't their fault and the lesser of two evils and whatnot.
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#311084 - 02/21/19 03:37 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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You really need to stop punching left with imaginary scenarios of why weak tea neoliberal candidates lose. It's been repeatedly pointed out that there were more defections of Hillary supporters to the Romney camp than there were left wing Sanders supporters defecting to the Trump camp after their respective primaries. It's old scapegoating and all to familiar 'repress the left' phoney solutions to solve a self inflicted political problem.

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#311093 - 02/21/19 06:59 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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It was more geographic fluke than weak tea neoliberalism that spoiled the 2016 election. The fact remains that Clinton won by nearly 3 million votes.

And this time around the way I see it a weak tea neoliberal is gonna kick Bernie's butt if he runs.
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#311094 - 02/21/19 03:09 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Whatever gives you comfort from that historic low voter party turnout against an historically negatively viewed opposition candidate.

Top three excuses for neoliberal loss:
Russia
Bernie voters
Comey

But hey, she won the popular low voter turnout vote!

Rinse and repeat while the needles drift into the red and neoliberals continually fine tune market messaging solutions to public problems.


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#311095 - 02/21/19 03:15 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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As an aside, I see nothing but positives if Beto runs. Not for the same reasons as you might Gregor but there will be a silver lining in his candidacy.

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#311098 - 02/21/19 06:15 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Don't get me wrong from my musings on the upcoming election, I don't know whether Beto would be anything but an incompetent tool of the corporate wing of the party. Blank slate, remember? Tabula rasa.
He might also become a competent tool of the social democrats.
But with that in mind
I don't think he's gonna run.
Y'know why?


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#311105 - 02/21/19 07:50 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Be still my beating heart!

Biden! Beto! 2020!


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#311112 - 02/22/19 12:39 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Sanders got over 600k volunteers already. He's off to a strong start.
There's reports out there that say Clinton's met with Biden. Mustn't count out the self regard of these increasingly irrelevant elder politicians to get in the race.
I'm very much hoping they will.

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#311115 - 02/22/19 03:00 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Didn't JFK have young children when he ran?
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#311146 - 02/23/19 01:35 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: rporter314]
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Quote:
Didn't JFK have young children when he ran?


How'd that turn out for the kids...
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