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#311421 - 03/08/19 05:54 AM Manafort Travesty of Justice
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By now you've probably read that the judge in Paul Manafort's first trial gave him an extremely light sentence of 47 months, less time served. He would thus get out of prison before Michael Cohen. That, as the thread title indicates, is an absolute travesty. How could this happen? Let me itemize the ways:

1) Judge Ellis is a Reagan appointee, and a true believer. He has a reputation for giving generously lenient sentences to white collar criminals (contra harsh sentences to drug offenders). Chuck Rosenberg, former U.S. Attorney, for the Eastern District of Virginia, former chief of staff at the FBI, former acting DEA chief, among other things, noted before sentencing "not to be shocked" if Manafort got a light sentence from Judge Ellis. I'll bet even he didn't expect this light a sentence.

2) Ellis is 8 years older than Manafort, and therefore viewed him sympathetically. Fellow old white guy.

3) Ellis also has a reputation for being harsh and cavalier toward government attorneys. He displayed that during the trial.

4) Ellis does not agree with the existence of a Special Counsel, and also made that abundantly clear in court.

In my humble opinion, Judge Ellis should not have presided over this case, and displayed his obvious bias. His sentence is consistent with his attitude. Unfortunately, there is little room for a government appeal.
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#311423 - 03/08/19 01:32 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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While Manafort's two sentences are presently the focus of opinion (the second yet to be levied, but more limited than the first), and I'm certainly in that camp, the larger picture should not be missed: it seems likely to me that Manafort has one more trial to go. Consider the extensive redaction of earlier pleadings, and the known issue of Manafort directly colluding with a known Russian operative during the campaign. Manafort is the central connection between the campaign and Russia, and he has refused to cooperate (indeed, obstructed justice on that count). That is, as yet, uncharged misconduct. I don't expect it to remain so.

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#311425 - 03/08/19 01:58 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Well, apparently I'm not the only one to think that way: Manafort Got Off Easy For Now But Mueller’s Not Done Yet (Daily Beast). Barbara McQuade is someone who's opinion I put a lot of stock in. It's nice to think I think like her.

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#311428 - 03/08/19 07:17 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I won't grudge him the short sentence. His life is pretty much ruined, his wealth will be forfeit(except for the millions offshore) and his high flying lifestyle is over. However you look at it, it's farewell to another douchebag.
He stayed faithful to Mother Russia though.
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#311429 - 03/08/19 07:59 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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He has another round of sentencing next week. The AG of New York also has plans for him (which Jackass cannot pardon judgments from New York state).

He will get wrecked, unless he can get to Russia and claim refuge.

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#311431 - 03/08/19 08:26 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: jgw]
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I Imagine that Mr. Manafort has accounts within the Russian banking system with no connections to his accounts over here. He has held his tongue as far as Mother Russia is concerned and those accounts will be there when he gets out.

He'll spend some time in the slammer then retire somewhere nice.
I'm okay with that. I'm not a vengeful sorta guy. And you know somethin'? He'd still be out there glad handing with all the Russian oligarchs and making millions on sketchy business deals except for who? Donald John Trump. No one who rides on the Trump Train comes away
without damage and some are destroyed.

MAGA, little man, MAGA!
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#311434 - 03/08/19 08:55 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Quote:
In my humble opinion, Judge Ellis should not have presided over this case, and displayed his obvious bias. His sentence is consistent with his attitude. Unfortunately, there is little room for a government appeal.

Well, yeah but...sometimes you get a sympathetic judge sometimes you don't. Justice isn't really blind you know.
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#311435 - 03/08/19 09:09 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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He should get used to solitary confinement. I doubt he'd last long in the general population, what, with all the Russian mob soldiers there. Just in case he changes his mind.
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#311437 - 03/08/19 09:32 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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He has been convicted on federal tax fraud charges. His state conviction is pretty much slam-dunk since his fraudulent federal returns were attached as part of his state returns. He also has not been tried for lying to the FBI after his plea deal. I bet he gets several years for that. Do all these convictions count as second and third felonies? Those tend to add decades to your sentence, last time I checked.

I think the big one is the RICO prosecution of the entire Trump and associates crime family. That one will come at the end.

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#311444 - 03/09/19 07:54 PM Re: Manafort Travesty of Justice [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There is one more little point. The judge's ruling is just another nail in the coffin of American values and faith in the system. This judge had a reputation for harsh sentences. Not, however, for somebody who has been a hard working criminal for years!

https://www.good.is/articles/paul-manafort-sentencing-judge-ellis
https://www.thedailybeast.com/manafort-j...-similar-crimes

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