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#311040 - 02/19/19 05:58 AM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: pdx rick]
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I think almost all Jew-haters in America, hate Arabs as well. Other Muslims, too. If anti-Semitism applies only to Jews, then there must be a similar term for Arabs. But I don't know of any that can be used in polite company like anti-Semitism.

Arab and Muslim-Americans being the obvious exception, of course.

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#311065 - 02/20/19 04:46 PM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think almost all Jew-haters in America, hate Arabs as well. Other Muslims, too.
I couldn't agree more. And anyone whose skin color doesn't match theirs - at least in their minds.

I spent a tiny bit of time in Panama, and the separation by color is as rampant there as in the South in the 1900s. Dominica and Colombia, too. White America would see them all as "dark" skinned, but Panamanians make distinctions, and they can be deadly.

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#311068 - 02/20/19 06:07 PM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The whole thing kind of reminds me of the half white/half black episode of Star Trek.
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#311364 - 03/05/19 12:50 AM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: Greger]
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House Dems will take floor action to confront Omar’s latest Israel comments (Politico). This disturbs me.
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At a Washington bookstore event last Thursday, Omar argued that critics labeling her as an anti-Semite looked to silence a necessary conversation.

"I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country," said the Minnesota Democrat, according to The New York Times.

I think the people complaining about this are looking for an opportunity to call "anti-semitism" exactly as she claimed - to shut down the conversation. It's an important conversation and Omar's rhetoric is NOT overblown. It is an accurate representation of what AIPAC is doing. As if on cue, Representative Vargas :“Questioning support for the U.S.-Israel relationship is unacceptable,” Vargas wrote, proving Omar's point that it's about the politics, not religious faith. And her critics know it.
As she said in the parts not quoted, before
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“What I'm fearful of is that, because Rashida and I are Muslim, that a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim.”
and after the out-of-context quote
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Ms. Omar questioned why it was acceptable for her to speak critically about the political influence of the National Rifle Association, fossil fuel industries and “big pharma,” but not the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Context matters. I'm getting pretty heated about this and the disingenuity of her critics (Dem and GOP alike). At least the supremacists are honest about it. Trump campaign adviser calls llhan Omar 'filth' amid anti-Semitism controversy (The Hill).

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#311365 - 03/05/19 02:44 AM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: NW Ponderer]
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If the conversation is allowed, then discussion of apartheid and genocide are going to enter into it.

Probably best not to allow it.

Perhaps this is a case of Geopolitical Correctness?
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#311369 - 03/05/19 03:41 AM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: Greger]
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An antisemitic statement from the UN...

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A United Nations inquiry has found Israeli forces may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by targeting unarmed children, journalists and the disabled in Gaza.
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#311371 - 03/05/19 04:02 AM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: pdx rick]
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I doubt they did that purposefully. They probably just shot into a rock-throwing crowd, but there were children, journalists, and disabled people in the front of the crowd.

Still, I am not antisemitic at all. I have attended Passover Seders and read from the Torah. But I think the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is genocidal. And I suspect a lot of Jews both in Israel and elsewhere think so too. I think the UN statement was anti-Israel, but not necessarily antisemitic. Conservatives would like you to think every criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but that's not true.

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#311377 - 03/05/19 02:14 PM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I had a good, conservative friend on this very site and we engaged in many a great discussion, but, the issue of Israel was a hot button to be assiduously avoided. He brooked NO criticism and any discussion of Palestine was anathema. He's like two different people.

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#311380 - 03/05/19 02:59 PM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: Greger]
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Sorry I don't see that statement as anything other than criticism of a government. It would be equivalent to saying

"A United Nations inquiry has found {British} forces may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by targeting unarmed children, journalists and the disabled in {Northern Ireland}."

That statement is not saying anything about the English people or the Anglican denomination. or

"A United Nations inquiry has found {Saudi} forces may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by targeting unarmed children, journalists and the disabled in {Yemen}."

Does that sound anti-Islamic?
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#311381 - 03/05/19 03:06 PM Re: Political Correctness run amok [Re: rporter314]
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Ilhan Omar Has A Point (Slate). Can "we" discuss the underlying issue without asserting bad motives? Some of the responses (Reps. Vargas, Lowey, Engel) were more inflammatory than her statement ever was. THEY should be ashamed - but I bet they're not. Did they talk to Omar before tweeting off? Again, I bet not.


Edited by NW Ponderer (03/05/19 03:08 PM)
Edit Reason: Correcting "autocorrect"

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