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#311564 - 03/14/19 06:32 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
rporter314 Offline
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The word for the next two years is


CHARISMA
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#311566 - 03/14/19 07:44 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Better an empty vessel than one full of bullsh*t.

Immigration seems not to be on your radar much but it's a huge huge issue. Beto wants to tear down the existing walls.
He could turn Texas blue in 2020! He's a bit of a folk hero there now and Texans don't love Trump much. He only lost to Cruz by 2.65 points.

The guy is a super-salesman with charisma out the ying yang!

We'll find out over the next few months but I think he's gonna catch fire and win like Sectretariat at Belmont.
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#311572 - 03/15/19 12:17 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Texans don't love Trump much

I live in Texas in the heart of Trump country.

I don't know very many anti-Trumpites but do know oodles of MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters. All are ignorant. All are bigots. All love Trump.

I haven't read any after election reports but suspect when I do, they will say Democrats turned out more voters to make it close. I am not sure what that means.

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Beto wants to tear down the existing walls.

More precisely in El Paso. His reasoning is the current wall defeats the strategy of making the two communities one because of the economic symbiosis between them. or Mr Trump is for a wall ... simply a metaphor for his bigotry ... and Beto is against a wall ... his metaphor for building communities with respect

What I do know is if the candidate is lackluster in presentation there will be a lackluster voter turnout. It's not enough to be against Mr Trump, although that should be enough, a solid charismatic candidate will seal the deal. Mr Trump said Beto's hands blah blah ... I love debating 13 year old bullys ... typically they are stupid and never realize it ... entangle him in policy, people will see Mr Trump is unqualified, but do it with fire
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#311574 - 03/15/19 01:14 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: rporter314]
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I live in Florida in the heart of Trump country. Sucks don't it? But there are other parts of Texas(and Florida) which are not so much in favor of Trump.

Trump won by 9% in Texas against Clinton.
Beto lost to Cruz by less than 3%. By 2020 I expect Trump to be further damaged than he is now. How will a politically damaged Trump fair against a hometown boy? We'll have to wait and see on that but I'm betting Trump won't do nearly so well next time around.
In Texas or anywhere else.
Beto might not actually flip Texas but it could be pretty close.

More than anything though, he brings some excitement into the race.
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#311583 - 03/15/19 11:29 AM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: Greger]
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Ever since Reagan I’ve had a large piece of mind that understands that an effective leader is, first and foremost, a top salesperson. Running for president is more like a beauty contest or a prize fight than it is a reasoned assessment of competence to manage the government.
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#311593 - 03/15/19 08:24 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Ever since Reagan I’ve had a large piece of mind that understands that an effective leader is, first and foremost, a top salesperson. Running for president is more like a beauty contest or a prize fight than it is a reasoned assessment of competence to manage the government.


That's why I love politics so much. A horse race, a beauty contest, a prize fight, wrestling pigs in the mud! All rolled into one giant extravaganza! Peanuts! Peanuts! Gitcha peanuts!

Trump sees the truth of it. It's all entertainment and your ratings with your viewing audience are all that counts. What we are watching now is a twisted nightmarish Hunger Games style reality show.
Real people are dying and the fans are cheering it on!

And all we really want is someone who can competently manage government and put forth a reasonable agenda that benefits the whole country and by extension the world and all of mankind...

Any one of the Democratic candidates would do a fine job as president.
It's gonna be tough putting government back together back together because Trump has simply not bothered to fill empty positions, entire departments go without leadership or workforce. Internal government infrastructure is collapsing brick by brick because Trump just can't be bothered. He's busy looking at porn on his goddam phone and has no time for it.
Normally a president would steer the ship of state to the right or left, Trump sawed off the rudder and went to bugger the cabin boy.

Yeah...any Democrat. But watching the race will be fun. I've picked my horse on beauty and performance in a previous race, but I've still got a small bet on Bernie.
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#311730 - 03/26/19 06:50 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Politics are the entertainment division of the Military-Industrial Complex.
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#311734 - 03/26/19 10:45 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: matthew]
Greger Offline

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Originally Posted By: matthew
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Politics are the entertainment division of the Military-Industrial Complex.


And just as dangerous as their fireworks division.
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#311743 - 03/27/19 12:35 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
chunkstyle Offline
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Here I thought the military was simply acting as corporate security services and politics the marketing dept. Hmmm...

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#311748 - 03/27/19 09:24 PM Re: Is it too soon to be talking 2020? [Re: chunkstyle]
jgw Offline
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What happens if the Dems stop preaching to the choir and start preaching to the other side (going on Fox when they can, etc), mention little things like Trump destroying everybody's health insurance, shutting down medicaid and medicare, threatening war with anybody he doesn't like (long list there), privatizing public education, privatizing the VA, etc?

This is probably a rhetorical question as its unlikely to happen real soon...........

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