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#311885 - 04/12/19 03:52 PM Re: What is Neoliberalism? [Re: chunkstyle]
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Spare me your love for professional politicians. I don't share it.

I don't hate neoliberals like the Clintons. In fact, given the choice, I would still prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. She's got a better grasp on reality and would be the better administrator.

The Clinton's are global power brokers. Bernie is a rabble rouser.

Both of these things are good and required, I don't set one above the other. It's all part the dynamics of politics.

What is government but the referee in the battle between the rich and the poor?
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#311897 - 04/13/19 12:07 AM Re: What is Neoliberalism? [Re: Greger]
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Love?!
Jeeze, I don't know about that Gregor. I admire his tenacity. Respect his policies for the most part. Don't know if my sense of love is involved. I'd love to see him win maybe?

My take is that neoliberalism has helped set the table for authoritarianism at home and abroad. Any of it's supposed successes of progress have been shown to have no permanence economically and socially. That it's scapegoated both the left and right for it's shortcomings for decades now and it's to the right of where most Americans are. At least now they seem to be. But they do hold the power within the democratic party.
At the end of the day they have more in common, economically speaking, with the right than with the left anyhow but I repeat myself.

I have noticed a level of admission coming from the neoliberal camp and it always invokes a level of suspicion and mistrust within me to loop back to our emotions. I was surprised to read an example in 'the New Yorker' magazine:

A New Role for Democratic Centrists: Helping the Left Win

But I would take issue with Kilgore that neoliberal's are center left. I'd like to hear his one sentence definition of what he thinks 'left' is politically and socially.
Second, he doesn't cop to the fact that the party structures for campaign funds and rules are dominated by centrists/neoliberal/ordoliberal whatevers and they have no intention of allowing for more leftists run and possibly increase their influence in the party.
Cuz it's easier to steal the language of the left than it is to enact any of it's popular policies such as Sanders has campaigned on consistently.







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#311898 - 04/13/19 03:06 AM Re: What is Neoliberalism? [Re: chunkstyle]
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I would take issue with Kilgore that neoliberal's are center left.


To me it would depend on which party the neoliberal is affiliated or caucuses with. You can draw your lines wherever you want but I draw mine between the two parties.

Or is neoliberalism strictly a Democrat thing?
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#311911 - 04/15/19 02:40 PM Re: What is Neoliberalism? [Re: Greger]
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I would take issue with Kilgore that neoliberal's are center left.


To me it would depend on which party the neoliberal is affiliated or caucuses with. You can draw your lines wherever you want but I draw mine between the two parties.

Or is neoliberalism strictly a Democrat thing?



A good question to be sure. Dunno, but my personal feeling is the centrists Dems that went for the money, starting in the 70's, overlapped their issues with republican issues to gain a larger concensus with a new rising demographic.
Nothing new about it as it's happened with the two parties switching ideologically.
For me, it would seem the Democrats became more of a managerial middle with bromides inclusion with 'market reform' policies to show their business bona fides.
So yeah, likely there has been some switching going on with party identification among voters. We also see overlap with the representatives. Manchin is more of a republican on the money shot votes than he is progressive.

As far as any progress socially and economically in the current political situation, I believe the call is coming from inside the house. Much of the end run around passage of progressive legislation has been undone by business interests sponsored representative.
It makes little difference to them if the rep is red or blue. There interests are being served. The public interest is a mere afterthought.

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