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#311956 - 04/18/19 03:20 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
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#311957 - 04/18/19 03:38 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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He was a little bit pregnant
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#311959 - 04/18/19 05:58 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice


Like I said, Mueller believes the proper place for the use of that evidence is in the Senate during an impeachment trial. He did not subpoena Trump because he already had plenty of evidence. People around him conspired with the Russians plenty, some are in the criminal process for that. Trump apparently did not, other than his stupid statements on TV, mainly because he had people to do stuff like that. The head of the crime family never pulls the trigger himself. I still see RICO prosecution coming when Trump leaves office. Too many crimes to ignore.

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#311960 - 04/18/19 06:51 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Well, we now know that Barr is a rotter first class. The report itself seems to contain a bunch of stuff and will point the way for the house to continue its investigations. The other investigations continues without letup.

MUCH MORE TO COME!

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#311963 - 04/18/19 09:25 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: jgw]
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MUCH MORE TO COME!

Much more what? Headlines? Tweets? Investigations going nowhere?
You guys never give up do you?

Breathlessly awaiting that one little thing that trips Trump up and sends him to jail.

Remember...way back...I promised you a train wreck? Well, it's coming, and this is a part of it. But this isn't it. It's not gonna be this easy. We'd all like to see him frogmarched down the white house steps. But when has a nation been so lucky to get rid of a dictator that easily?

Let's just say that Hitler's train wreck was World War 2 and that's more typical of what happens in a case like this.
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#311964 - 04/19/19 12:59 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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Bit of funny theater in the report: It seems the Trump people at the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians didn't break the law because they didn't know what they were doing was illegal!

Just wow. I guess you can rob a bank now, as long as you don't know bank robbery is illegal. Has anybody considered the other side of this coin: That those people are all too stupid to hold positions at the White House?

Same goes for Obstruction of Justice: Trump issued obstructive orders several times, but the people around him refused his illegal orders. So no Obstruction charges? How about Too Stupid to Be President charges.

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#311969 - 04/19/19 06:35 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Greger]
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A confession: I've not been faithful. I spent a good deal of time today trying to keep up with posts on another forum. The rest of the day was spent reading and trying to absorb the contents of the Mueller report. Notwithstanding having a great deal of background already, there is so much disgusting behavior cataloged in the report I had to take several baths today just to get rid of the stink.

We're in serious trouble, folks. The level of criminality of this President far outstrips even Richard Nixon, and I dont say that lightly. I lived through Watergate and Iran contra. No one can read this report and think that it is in any way "good" for the President, and yet on that other board there were hundreds of posts claiming just that. I weep, literally, for my country that there are so many whose standards are so low that "he wasn't convicted" counts as a legitimate qualification for the presidency. They care that little for their country. It's disgusting.

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#311971 - 04/19/19 10:53 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: Trump
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters



Did you need something more????
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#311975 - 04/19/19 10:21 PM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Bit of funny theater in the report: It seems the Trump people at the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians didn't break the law because they didn't know what they were doing was illegal!

Just wow. I guess you can rob a bank now, as long as you don't know bank robbery is illegal. Has anybody considered the other side of this coin: That those people are all too stupid to hold positions at the White House?

Same goes for Obstruction of Justice: Trump issued obstructive orders several times, but the people around him refused his illegal orders. So no Obstruction charges? How about Too Stupid to Be President charges.


Whatever happened to "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
That's what countless judges have thundered from their lofty perch at countless perps when being arraigned and sentenced.

Apparently that thunder only exists at sea level, but not atop Mount Olympus, where the biggest criminals get to live. I guess it's not really thunder at all, just "swamp gas".
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#311976 - 04/20/19 12:19 AM Re: The Mueller Report [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump said the Mueller Report completely exonerates him and that it is total bullshit.

Perfect...
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