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#312079 - 04/30/19 12:23 AM congress and the administration
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I can be completely wrong about this one but thought I would mention it. Congress is having problems getting information that they think they are entitled to and the administration doesn't. This seems very simple to me. So simple, in fact, that I am beginning to wonder what the Democratic house is actually doing.

They have asked, and subpoenaed information from the Whitehouse. The Whitehouse has responded that they do not have to give them said information. In a situation wherein one leg of government has a problem with the other. In such situations I think that the congress, for instance, can go directly to the supremes which have the capacity, and the duty, to clearly state just what rights each side has, and what they do not have.

Instead, all the talking heads of tv say that the Whitehouse can keep this in courts forever. If I am right then the Democratic House folk are just spinning their wheels whilst whining about Jackass and the Whitehouse. This seems a complete waste of time AND a constitutional problem. What they should do, right now, is goto the Supremes and let them settle this thing! This is one of the reasons the Supremes exist!

My suspicion is that the House may be convinced that Jackass has packed the Supremes. If this is true then they will find out if this is true or not. Pussyfooting around the problem accomplishes nothing!

THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD GET ON WITH IT!!!!


Edited by jgw (04/30/19 12:34 AM)

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#312096 - 05/01/19 06:55 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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It might be more useful in terms of 2020 voting NOT to get on with it. The American public has no long term memory, and very poor short term memory as well. They may need to be reminded constantly that Trump is trying to act like a dictator instead of a president, and that the Congressional Republicans are accessories after the fact. Of course, all this legal maneuvering can only last until Trump leaves office. Then every thing comes out and charges get filed.

I really think loss to a Democrat will mean Trump flees to a non-extradition country at the end.

Meanwhile, I think it would be funny if the House committees start jailing Trump department heads for Contempt of Congress. I think they could do that with the head of the IRS right now. Then the second in command when he refuses their tax forms request, and so forth until they get to somebody who will comply with the law. That would be very newsworthy and ultimately humiliating for Trump.

A little free advice for Mnuchin and Rettig: Your nuts are in the vise. But in the future, it will be far better to be known as somebody who got fired because he would not break the law for Trump, than to be known as a Trump toady who went to jail for him.

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#312097 - 05/01/19 03:32 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
My suspicion is that the House may be convinced that Jackass has packed the Supremes.


"Packing" the court means adding extra members. FDR tried it in 1937 but I don't think it worked out. A conservative majority is not a "packed" court. There were some rumors that Democrats were considering adding more members to offset the current conservative majority.

It's not liable to happen.
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#312098 - 05/01/19 04:26 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: Greger]
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While it is true the phrase packing the court means adding members to court, I have always thought the better understanding is to change the political complexion of the court. In Pres FDR's case, he wanted loyalists to judicially support his policy initiatives. In like manner I would consider the Republican efforts to alter a politically balanced SC as packing the court with very conservative members, who would support radical changes of the very conservative Republican social agenda and who would support deconstructing the federal government vis a vis entitlement programs.

One more SCJ and Mr Trump could unilaterally dissolve Congress and the SC would uphold his actions (typing hyperbolicly of course). If that wouldn't be the result of a packed court I don't know what would be.
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#312099 - 05/01/19 06:23 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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Sorry, I am just getting sick and tired of all the breast beating, complaining, accusals, etc. when it comes to the administration and the other branches of government. Its time somebody gets the supremes, the last word in things constitutional, to define just what each part of government gets to do what, insofar as the constitution is concerned. I think we had all thought this had been decided but Jackass has so clouded the whole works that its time for clear references. I know, I have read the constitution has many have and it seems pretty clear but, obviously, its not so its all up in the air. Not a good thing, I think......

I don't believe that getting it all packed into a law suit, or even multiple law suits, and then running said suits though the courts for years is, exactly, clearing the air at all. Its really time for the supremes to weigh in and setting the entire mess.

I have always believed that "packing" the supreme court means appointing judges that all agree on what part of the political scene they are on. So far, as far as I know, this has not happened and there is currently no evidence of that happening now. There are, however, folks who believe it to be true right now. So, as far as I am concerned its time for them to weigh in.

The nation has had this stuff looming for several years and there are a lot of folks making claims.

ITS TIME!

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#312102 - 05/01/19 07:20 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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Trump thinks he owns the Supreme Court because it has a thin majority of conservative justices, but Trump believes a lot of things that are not true. He probably has one or two justices on the court, in the form of Thomas and Kavenaugh. The rest are not Trump judges, as evidenced by Roberts voting to keep the ACA when that issue came to court. Even Gorsuch is not a Trump guy, but rather a conservative. Conservatives believe in things like precedence, the rule of law, the Constitution, and not generating a huge legal mess with there decisions.

Any court decisions about Congress overseeing or impeaching the President are very likely to be constitutional, rather than supporting a dictatorship. They could actually be 9:0 if somebody is off the sauce that day. These guys serve for life: Trump will be gone soon. They have to think in the long term. That's why SC justices commonly disappoint the Presidents who nominated them.

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#312106 - 05/02/19 05:35 AM Re: congress and the administration [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I think Elijah Cummings is playing this right: Trump sues Cummings, says he's ignored &...estigate" (CBS). Trump and the White House are in full-blown stonewall mode, and Rep. Cummings says he's going to wait until there is a court order to proceed. He'll get the court order, as the legal precedents are crystal clear. Once he has that precedent, it will be used for all of the other subpoena cases. That's smart. Let one court handle it, then the other judges will follow suit. This is Trump's weakest claim, so it is good that it is first out the door.

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#312116 - 05/02/19 05:58 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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This morning the Democrats are in full whine mode. Barr lied! Barr ignored us! What are we going to do? Pretty soon we are going to subpoena (whoever). Eventually we may actually charge somebody with something.... (a very long list of upset)

I wonder if anybody but me actually even gives a damn. I guess its important, to the congressional Democrats, that all this stuff is going on. What I don't see is the Democrats actually doing something. Somebody lied to congress? Oh, well, we will tell everybody the bad thing tney did. Its all, apparently, about how unfair they are treated. I would love to see, however, the Democrats actually doing something, besides exercising their mouths. If somebody lies to congress then they should be charged! (I assume that is against the law?) Barr. for instance, has done it several times and, again apparently, instead of charging the liar they have decided to threaten, ie. he skates yet again. They are very good at threatening. The problem is that when you do that more than once its a complete waste of time. They subpoena somebody, they don't show, the Democratic response is to be outraged, threaten, threaten again one more time for exercise, and then something like; "I guess that will show him/her/it".

I really hope this is not a preview of how they will behave if they should actually beat Jackass and take over. Even that, however, is up in the air.

<sigh>

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#312117 - 05/02/19 06:22 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
This morning the Democrats are in full whine mode. Barr lied! Barr ignored us! What are we going to do? Pretty soon we are going to subpoena (whoever). Eventually we may actually charge somebody with something.... (a very long list of upset)

I wonder if anybody but me actually even gives a damn. I guess its important, to the congressional Democrats, that all this stuff is going on. What I don't see is the Democrats actually doing something. Somebody lied to congress? Oh, well, we will tell everybody the bad thing tney did. Its all, apparently, about how unfair they are treated. I would love to see, however, the Democrats actually doing something, besides exercising their mouths. If somebody lies to congress then they should be charged! (I assume that is against the law?) Barr. for instance, has done it several times and, again apparently, instead of charging the liar they have decided to threaten, ie. he skates yet again. They are very good at threatening. The problem is that when you do that more than once its a complete waste of time. They subpoena somebody, they don't show, the Democratic response is to be outraged, threaten, threaten again one more time for exercise, and then something like; "I guess that will show him/her/it".

I really hope this is not a preview of how they will behave if they should actually beat Jackass and take over. Even that, however, is up in the air.

<sigh>


I got nothing to say, other than, well said. ThumbsUp
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#312131 - 05/03/19 07:59 PM Re: congress and the administration [Re: jgw]
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I also noticed that the Republicans have now joined Jackass in the ongoing plans to investigate Hillary. I did not notice a single Democrat mentioning that, as far as I can tell, the congress has, over the years, spent at least 100 MILLION dollars investigating the Clinton's - to no avail. https://www.newstalkflorida.com/featured/gops-fear-loathing-hillary-clinton-cost-100-million/ (more like this!)

One would think that at least one Democrat would have mentioned this but, of course, they didn't. Obviously they really do not want to upset their Republican friends. I would point out in passing that these are the same Democrats planning on beating Jackass next year. I think they must have a secret plan to only be unveiled about 8 months from now. Until then they just plan to bravely get beat up, in any confrontation with their Republican friends, so everybody will know they are victims of those meanies.

Kinda makes my heart beat a little faster............

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