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#312092 - 04/30/19 09:07 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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The whole thing has always amused me. Your list is a fine one and I only have to wonder what you left off. I continue to quibble about "socialist" as that is a political takeover by gov of just about everything. The term is the thing. The Republicans are great at name calling and, this time around, "socialist" is the goat.

All that being said we continue to have, basically two sides to gov. One, the Left, believes in social undertakings (your list) and the Right actually believe that such things take people's freedoms away, ie. their right to do the "right thing". The very strange thing is that they actually believe that folks will do the right thing if just given a chance. Over the years I have had several friends that believed that. The interesting thing about that is that they have all been flat out rich. When I asked about them that were not rich there have been a number of responses which actually boil down to "they made the wrong decisions" usually followed by "but they demonstrate what they should have done for others that follow". I used to argue the points but I stopped that years ago. What I do find fascinating is they have a LOT more faith in their fellow human beings than I.

All that being said I also believe it all works (I keep repeating this) when the two sides are civilized to sit down with the other, find common ground and base their actions on that common ground. Somehow that seems to be old fashioned, what we have now is that neither side can sit down with the other without their own side turning on them like mad dogs. I think, more than the promises from either side, we need a set of rules that both can live with that stops the crap. The problem. of course, remains - not gonna happen.

I am a big fan of "because he/she can". When somebody asks me why somebody did something stupid, hurtful, bad, etc. that is my standard response. I remember when an Indian (feather) asked me why white people treat them so bad and that is how I responded. If folks really want to change behavior that both sides claim to dislike then the first thing they gotta fix is "because he/she can". Its really kinda interesting. Most of the time I give that response it tend to kill the conversation. Folks just stop and stare. When my wife asks why Jackass did, or said, something I continue with my standard response. This is not a solution but I continue to believe its a place to start?

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#312374 - 05/27/19 07:55 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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It dawns on me that, eventually, the Dems are going to have to impeach. They should, however,time it so that its close to the 2020 election. By that time, hopefully, they will have a lot information to completely impeach with. Then, those Republicans who still Jackass, will have to explain his/her reasons to their electorate (I know, many will be true believers and there is nothing that happened that would change their minds - up to, and including, blatent traitor activity)

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#312375 - 05/27/19 09:35 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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The best strategy would be to investigate carefully and fully, so every voter has all the evidence as election day approaches. They don't need to actually impeach him and hand him over to the Senate. That presents the maximum opportunity for him to lose and spares the nation the trauma of impeachment. If he tries anything crazy between election day and January 20th, not many people would go along with it (assuming he loses). They could always vote on impeachment in one day and refer it to the Senate, if it was necessary to stop him.

But I suspect Trump does not last that long without a psychotic break that gets an Amendment 25 action done, and Pence in as caretaker lame duck.

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#312379 - 05/28/19 02:37 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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"psychotic break" .... interesting.

While many report on failing or degrading mental state, I instead see an irritated narcissistic reaction. The world has not bowed down to him, so he more forcefully reminds it who he is.

It's getting too close to 2020 for investigation, probable charges, and trial this year. If it wanders into next year, the charges of partisanship will ring loud and convincingly. Once again by sheer serendipity he will escape Houdini-like to face some Democrat in 2020.

Mr Trump has skated all his life and he is now between the rock and hard place. However, his situation may be an illusion. House Democrats are faced with an occupant of the WH who has clearly acted in a most inappropriate manner for not just a president but as a citizen. If they do not at minimum censure his actions, all future occupants can act with impunity, which certainly leads to not just a unity executive branch but the tyranny of a singular seat of governmental power. If they do file charges, it could very easily be seen as nothing more than tribal partisanship, which would result in counterproductive results.
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#312380 - 05/28/19 05:40 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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I continue to wonder about "trauma of impeachment". There is a lot of talk about this and I just don't get it. Right now, as far as I know, there are 20 investigations into the president of the United States by the house and another 18 by the feds for a total of 38 full scale investigations going on involving the president of the united states. If Impeachment started this would mean adding another investigation into the mix bringing the total to 39. The difference is that the house would be able to add yet another 'right' into their ongoing investigations which may, or may not, add to their ability to get to the truth of things as well as getting yet more attention from the media.

I have yet to see any product of all these investigations that reveal anything startling or incredibly important. What I do hear is a lot of cries of foul, on both sides, all of which seem to reduce themselves to whining about the other side and little else.

I tend to support the left/Dems in all of this and I, for one, would really appreciate a bit less noise and a little more use of constitutional rights, especially from the Dems. Anybody even paying a little attention understands that there are problems getting information. We also understand that the congress has rights and responsibilities. All the noise is not doing the Dems any good and, I think, actually is harmful to their goals.

The constant noise accomplishes very little and tends to irritate. Its really time to fish or cut bait!

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#312383 - 05/29/19 04:38 AM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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Its really time to fish or cut bait!

They're fishing. Trump is stonewalling. It's working its way through the courts. Like Mr. Porter has pointed out...Trump has always skated.
Pinning anything on him is like nailing jello to a wall.
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#312385 - 05/29/19 05:24 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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If you are right I wonder how many cases, initiated by House investigations, are sitting in the courts right now. Apparently only 2 have been appealed, or in the process of appeal. Given that there are well over 30 investigations going on (between house and feds) there must be a lot more either filed or in the courts themselves?

The reason for the question is my impatience over it all. We are, in theory, investigating the hell out of things but, as far as I can tell the house investigations have filed very few cases in the courts. I think they may mave charged the AG with contempt but am not sure. They also have the ability to arrest, fine, and jail those who refuse to give testimony. None of that has been done. Apparently nothing is being fast tracked which means its all pretty meaningless unless the House starts to use its power of arrest, fine, and jail.

Given all that I am assuming that the House investigations, in large part, remain in the cut bat stage which can stretch out into years of litigation which, in the end, will mean exactly nothing unless they can start finding out stuff which apparently isn't actually happening all that much.

Given the Democratic determination not to rock any boats and grow a couple the only resolution may be the ballot. That, however, is going to be tough, at least so far. Employment is waaay up, wages are rising, etc. In spite of everything that is really tough to break through. My hope is that something happens, in 2020, to slow that down but I am beginning to lose faith <sigh>. Gamblers consider the 2020 election to be a 50/50 thing so far (they are considered better at prognostication than experts). This means the Democrats have high mountains to climb.

Given the Democratic party ability to fail spectacularly one can hope that they don't do that, but..................

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#312389 - 05/29/19 11:31 PM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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Given the Democratic party ability to fail spectacularly.....

They're headed for a major fail in 2020 if nothin' don't happen to change things. At this point I don't see how impeachment could hurt their chances much.

But they need to get something concrete to work with. Hints and allegations aint gonna do it. He's a assh*le but that, in and of itself, does not disqualify him from being president and governing the way those who elected him want him to govern.
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#312390 - 05/30/19 05:09 AM Re: Impeach [Re: jgw]
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Funny item:

Better get a Bigger Tarp

During Trump's Japan visit, the top navy brass instructed sailors on the destroyer USS John McCain to put a big tarp over the ship's name. You just can't make this petty BS up.

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#312391 - 05/30/19 05:59 AM Re: Impeach [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Funny item:

Better get a Bigger Tarp

During Trump's Japan visit, the top navy brass instructed sailors on the destroyer USS John McCain to put a big tarp over the ship's name. You just can't make this petty BS up.


For all the bellowing about "snowflakes" on the Left, apparently Trump is the melty-est flakiest snowflake of them all. ROTFMOL
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