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#312226 - 05/16/19 06:25 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Me too! My apologies though. I've been gearing up for a month long trip with my sisters tracing our 4-greats-grandfather's trip to the California gold rush in 1850. We've done it in 3 segments, and this final leg is from Salt Lake City to Nevada city, California. Even in modern times there is a lot of logistics involved! My honey and I (and our little dog too!) leave May 28 in our little RV (Harvey), and we'll get home around the 19th of June, after another 2500-3000 miles of travel.

We have the journals, and letters home, describing their route and sights along the way, and we're trying to see them all. Last summer's trip from Independence, MO to Salt Lake City was one of the most meaningful events of my life. Not just history coming to life, but communing with ancestors. It's truly the trip of a lifetime.

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#312275 - 05/19/19 04:12 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Well, my friends, I spent much of the day improving my computer and internet connectivity. I literally improved my internet speed 2000%. I went from sub 10 Mbps, to over 200 Mbps connectivity. Now 90% of my household gets 3-4x connection speed than yesterday. I'll let you know if that changes. Right now I want to watch some streaming movies....

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#312276 - 05/19/19 05:21 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Greger]
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If you run some ethernet cables, you can give everybody at least 100 Mbps. Shorter cable runs with the right router and ethernet adapters get the whole 200 Mbps by using a gigabit ethernet link. Most 802.11 routers do much less and they divide their limited bandwidth up among the active computers. If you have a lot of close neighbors all with 802.11 routers, it can get pretty bad.

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#312277 - 05/19/19 02:16 PM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Heh...1.5 mbps is the best I can ever hope for.
No cable here in the swamp and certainly no wireless. Cell phones don't even work here. I'm 7 miles from the DSL repeater and the last 3 are copper instead of fiber optic.

I've considered satellite but they won't guarantee anything and you can't find out your available speed without signing a two year contract.
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#312278 - 05/19/19 03:24 PM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Heh...1.5 mbps is the best I can ever hope for.
No cable here in the swamp and certainly no wireless. Cell phones don't even work here. I'm 7 miles from the DSL repeater and the last 3 are copper instead of fiber optic.

I've considered satellite but they won't guarantee anything and you can't find out your available speed without signing a two year contract.
Greger, I am very sympathetic. I have had lousy service for much of my time here. When I first got a cell phone, I got great service to and from work. But the two places I couldn't get reception? Home and work. When I first got internet it was over the phone - 2400 baud (way better than 1200!), then I got DSL, but it was spotty at best, and boy was it slow. Recently I got a "bundle" that included a phone I don't use and internet speeds my computers couldn't handle. Only my son really took advantage (via ethernet). I got fed up with it, and upgraded everything. Do I need it? Probably not, I'm retired, but... I could, so I did.

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#312284 - 05/19/19 08:58 PM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's really not so bad. I can watch Netflix, YouTube videos, and porn.
What more could an old man need? Gameing downloads can be nightmarish ordeals that last for days. And of course online gaming is out of the question.

That's why I'm here. Politics is the best game on the internet.
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#312285 - 05/20/19 04:18 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Greger]
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Satellite internet sucks. The download speed is good but uplink can be glacial. So surfing the web is terrible. The overall bandwidth is 1.5 Mbps with 500 msec latency for Direct TV's internet service. That's why they try to bundle Direct TV with some other broadband ISP anywhere they can. If you live out in the boonies, you are screwed. Back when I had it, they would try to preload all your usual web sites into a local cache before you went online.

At least your 1.5 Mbps DSL would have much lower latency, so web surfing would be reasonable.

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#312289 - 05/20/19 05:42 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all


At least your 1.5 Mbps DSL would have much lower latency, so web surfing would be reasonable.


WiMax was SUPPOSED to take care of all the remote boondocks subscribers with up to 6 or even 10 mbps and NON-line of site coverage for "cell zones" up to 35 miles in diameter.

And then suddenly the FCC decided it wanted to auction off pretty much the entire spectrum space that WiMax was supposed to use.
And now that's the end of that here in the USA far as I know.

Strangely enough, Haiti is now one of the biggest WiMax users.
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#312290 - 05/20/19 07:49 AM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: Greger]
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There is lots of stuff that could be the next great thing, and then you never hear about it again. One of the chips I worked on at Globespan-Virata was a 4 channel 100 Mbps DSL router. So the phone companies could run fiber to an apartment building or office building, and support four 100 Mbps internet channels. Or bond the channels and have one 400 MBps internet channel. I did the verification of the design and it actually worked perfectly in the first silicon! (That was almost unheard of for such a complex design at the time.)

I went on to Rockwell when they bought my division, and then got laid off a year later. Never heard a thing about the chip after that. Such is tech.

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#312292 - 05/20/19 03:40 PM Re: Roundtable for April 2019 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is lots of stuff that could be the next great thing, and then you never hear about it again. One of the chips I worked on at Globespan-Virata was a 4 channel 100 Mbps DSL router. So the phone companies could run fiber to an apartment building or office building, and support four 100 Mbps internet channels. Or bond the channels and have one 400 MBps internet channel. I did the verification of the design and it actually worked perfectly in the first silicon! (That was almost unheard of for such a complex design at the time.)

I went on to Rockwell when they bought my division, and then got laid off a year later. Never heard a thing about the chip after that. Such is tech.


Well they did end up doing a lot of channel bonding, but I don't know if your chip was involved. Very late in my career I got to use a device called a "Live U" which bonds up to six cellular connections simultaneously in order to provide a super high speed wide bandwidth connection for live HD camera-to-studio links. Yes, your single cellphone will transmit video all by itself but a Live U unit will support live HD all the way up to 4K ultra-high definition video over the network. It eliminates the need for a live remote truck, so it is basically a live remote truck stuffed into a backpack.

Live U TV
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